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Re: What front-end system system would you go with?
[Re: cudaman1969]
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12/28/15 07:26 PM
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Until there's a patient issued, anyone can make an EXACT copy then sell it $100 cheaper. And nothing can be done about it. Which one would you buy? Come on guys you b&m about everything. I assume I can separate "you" from me, because I know what I would buy, and I also have personal experience what the public would buy and therefore your point is proven, but since I'm still allowed so far to have my own opinion, it's not what I would do. I will profess, I have over the decades had lots of first time innovative stuff, competitors often copied, and falsely called their own design, some just changed the color and made themselves look stupid, so two things to takeaway, I'm sensitive to the issue, and until you walked in similar shoes, you likely don't get it. I'm not against copying a great idea, just man up you did. 
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: What front-end system system would you go with?
[Re: cudaman1969]
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12/28/15 07:29 PM
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Until there's a patient issued, anyone can make an EXACT copy then sell it $100 cheaper. And nothing can be done about it. Which one would you buy? Come on guys you b&m about everything. Exactly........it's about business and making an existing product better. My buddy builds pit jacks. Are they an EXACT copy of Pro-Jacks, no, are they based FROM it, you bet. His are bigger, stronger for heavy cars and lift higher. Pro-Jack threatened to sue him. He told them to pound sand, as his were NOT a copy, which they were not. They were BETTER.
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Re: What front-end system system would you go with?
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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There are different kinds of patents, one being design, and slight changes for increased strength etc would not be a valid difference. There is a patent attorney as a member, "AAR????", but he seldom pokes his up anymore. We are wasting our time discussing patent issues, as few vendors take the time and spend the money within 12 months of the item being offered commercially in order to acquire patent rights, nor are willing to spend the money on lawyers shutting down every garage rendition of their product.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: What front-end system system would you go with?
[Re: jcc]
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I've played the patient game.. for me I had 5 patients but all of them were for Chrysler.. one of them they gave me $1.. others I got up to $3000... all of them were Chrysler property... IF they would have SOLD any of them I would have had the patient rights and got money BUT the way all the auto companies play it is to SWAP patients so no dollars change hands and no one gets the rights other than the originating company... I have a patient in EVERY car that has factory injection.. a recovery tank on the pump assembly.. plus the no lead restrictor in the filler tube(the smaller hole part so you cant add the leaded fuel) 
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Re: What front-end system system would you go with?
[Re: jcc]
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12/28/15 09:59 PM
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Until there's a patient issued, anyone can make an EXACT copy then sell it $100 cheaper. And nothing can be done about it. Which one would you buy? Come on guys you b&m about everything. I assume I can separate "you" from me, because I know what I would buy, and I also have personal experience what the public would buy and therefore your point is proven, but since I'm still allowed so far to have my own opinion, it's not what I would do. I will profess, I have over the decades had lots of first time innovative stuff, competitors often copied, and falsely called their own design, some just changed the color and made themselves look stupid, so two things to takeaway, I'm sensitive to the issue, and until you walked in similar shoes, you likely don't get it. I'm not against copying a great idea, just man up you did. I don't have any patients but I'm in the cabinet business, high end stuff. I get ripped off all the time with people claiming there cabinets where built by me, not knowing who I am at the time when talking to them. You ought to see there faces when I tell them that's not my cabinets. Sorry you got stepped on but It's just part of doing business and we are in a copy cat world. As far as the front end, I would go with the best one for MY application, no matter who built it last or first.
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Re: What front-end system system would you go with?
[Re: megajoltman]
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I've notice on Bob's website that he shows his k-frame front suspension on Rick's challenger and (it could be just the angle of the pic.) was taken, but how low does this k-member sits?And also I know there's video out there with Rick's challenger using Bobs front suspension on it but I can't seem to find it. Are you looking for how much clearence from the ground or stance of it?  I'm looking for the clearance from the center of the bar(k-frame) to the ground. As I've said before maybe it's the angle in which the pic. was taken...........
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Re: What front-end system system would you go with?
[Re: racerx]
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I've notice on Bob's website that he shows his k-frame front suspension on Rick's challenger and (it could be just the angle of the pic.) was taken, but how low does this k-member sits?And also I know there's video out there with Rick's challenger using Bobs front suspension on it but I can't seem to find it. Are you looking for how much clearence from the ground or stance of it? I'm looking for the clearance from the center of the bar(k-frame) to the ground. As I've said before maybe it's the angle in which the pic. was taken........... I can get you a measurement from my Dart either tonight or tomorrow. I can tell you my oil pan hangs down a lot lower than the k frame.... 
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Re: What front-end system system would you go with?
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12/29/15 01:09 AM
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Interesting upper ball joint angle.  That little narrow bracket holding the lower control arm would have my crapping my pants everytime I hit the brakes. Then there is some rod that ties the lower control arms together. That upper control arm isnt made correctly imo
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Re: What front-end system system would you go with?
[Re: sixpackgut]
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12/29/15 01:36 AM
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Interesting upper ball joint angle. That little narrow bracket holding the lower control arm would have my crapping my pants everytime I hit the brakes. Then there is some rod that ties the lower control arms together. That upper control arm isnt made correctly imo What spindle is that?
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Re: What front-end system system would you go with?
[Re: cudaman1969]
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12/29/15 02:02 AM
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Interesting upper ball joint angle. That little narrow bracket holding the lower control arm would have my crapping my pants everytime I hit the brakes. Then there is some rod that ties the lower control arms together. That upper control arm isnt made correctly imo What spindle is that? That is a HDK kit.
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Re: What front-end system system would you go with?
[Re: megajoltman]
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12/29/15 02:03 AM
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I've notice on Bob's website that he shows his k-frame front suspension on Rick's challenger and (it could be just the angle of the pic.) was taken, but how low does this k-member sits?And also I know there's video out there with Rick's challenger using Bobs front suspension on it but I can't seem to find it. Are you looking for how much clearence from the ground or stance of it? I'm looking for the clearance from the center of the bar(k-frame) to the ground. As I've said before maybe it's the angle in which the pic. was taken........... I can get you a measurement from my Dart either tonight or tomorrow. I can tell you my oil pan hangs down a lot lower than the k frame.... You have an pm...
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Re: What front-end system system would you go with?
[Re: SpareParts]
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12/29/15 03:08 AM
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After switching to a rack do most of you switch to a rear sump pan? I would think that would be ideal, I plan to do that when I finish my K member You can then basically run any pan you want. A long chassis pan, mid or rear sump. I want to change mine but havnt yet
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Re: What front-end system system would you go with?
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12/29/15 03:13 AM
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Interesting upper ball joint angle. That little narrow bracket holding the lower control arm would have my crapping my pants everytime I hit the brakes. Then there is some rod that ties the lower control arms together. That upper control arm isnt made correctly imo What spindle is that? That is a HDK kit. Their design or some factory part? In other words, did they tool it up?
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Re: What front-end system system would you go with?
[Re: cudaman1969]
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12/29/15 03:22 AM
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It's the spindle they supply with there kit. It's there upper control arm they designed. I am sure it is a out sourced mustang II spindle, who knows where it is made. So it is all the parts they designed to work together.
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Re: What front-end system system would you go with?
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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12/29/15 03:23 AM
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Think its a mustang 2 spindle
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Re: What front-end system system would you go with?
[Re: sixpackgut]
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12/29/15 12:01 PM
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Think its a mustang 2 spindle His site lists either Wilwood or 2" drop Mustang II. Both spindles use the same brake components.
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