For a coil over conversion I like the looks of the GTS kit over the Hemi Denny kit. I may give him a ring Monday.

They all do the same thing............eliminate the torsion bars in favor of coilovers and bolt in the stock location.............that seems similar to me.

That's the great thing about the Internet, you are intitled to your own opinion. You may feel this way Monte, but I have had talks with a certain owner of a company on this subject and he feels otherwise. It's funny how RMS offers all of those options on his front end and now so does HDK. Interesting, but just my opinion. It's great being able to drive to RMS and Tory's shop to be able to talk face to face on these matters. RMS by far offers the most options for your front end kits.

Does anyone know if these bolt in Shock tower supports allow for stud type shocks to be mounted near or in the stock location? Just wondering as this would make changing over to coil overs pretty easy without changing very much.

Tory's setup your shocks mount in stock location. He makes a bracket that ties in to your upper control arms if you need it. I have Afco da stud mounted shocks on my car.

Do you have any pics with the upper shock supports mounted? I've got some afco stud mount shocks that I plan on using with the stock control arms. I could go ahead convert to coil overs if one of these supports allows for that style of mounting at the top of the shock. Would be nice to lose the torsion bars and the weight.

Brad, do you not use Torys uppers? They're kinda neat. Bolt into the stock upper mount and tie into the upper control arm bolts. Mine use an eyelet on top.

No I don't use them, I have my cage tied in there.

I've notice on Bob's website that he shows his k-frame front suspension on Rick's challenger and (it could be just the angle of the pic.)
was taken, but how low does this k-member sits?And also I know there's video out there with Rick's challenger using Bobs front suspension on it but I can't seem to find it.

You mean like this?

I'm leaning towards the blatant copy angle. I also respect/compliment the choice not to purchase from that aspect. If I remember correctly, it originally was intended as a copy, but poorly executed, and everyone knows a copy is never as good as the original. It seems to have evolved with improvements of the the original copy, I agree. The few changes noted here might make a plausible defense for a patent (there is non existing) infringement dispute, but RMS is clearly the leader in this solution, and its well deserved title, my internet opinion.

Do any of you think that RMS, Magnum Force, or whoever was the VERY FIRST person to ever make a bolt in K-member? Using some logic expressed here, it would seem every one is a COPY of somebody's. Hot rodding is seeing a market and improving upon what is available in that market. Why is it a direct copy? Because it is square tubing? You only have 2 choices, square or round. So if it was round who's would it be a copy of? The upper shock mounting is not remotely similar.

"Why is it a direct copy"

Because the vendor says its not when it is.

Other vendors giving RMS his due instead of suggesting they invented the "wheel", would hush a lot of criticism, and will never happen as egos are pretty enlarged in this hobby.

So anybody want to share with us who was the "first" to design, develop, and offer a little changed over the years mutlti platform mopar IFS, if it was not RMS?

RMS is pretty similar to the front end kits Heidt sold for many years for all kinds of applications........

John asked a simple question and got many replies,why it has to be a debate is crazy.There are many different manufactures of front suspension kits available,choises can be made base on the type desired or cost.They all will do the job.Just be carefull of some of the early ones made that had steering and geometry issues.Most all on the market today have been sorted out and work well.
Just to throw my opinion out FWIW if your building a race specific car the lightest weight,easyist to install and most problem free would be a strut front end.It also gives you the option to set the wheelbase and trackline where you want it.This option give you varable deminsions for wheel,tire size and any other clearence issues.It will be custom to your specific application.

Because this is Moparts.

FWIW I have an LRT front end on my car, I bought it when I had to run torsion bars as a class requirement. Now the class is gone and I'm going to convert to coil overs and try to sort out any geometry issues that might pop up.

I don't know who was the first..........nor do I care. It may be your opinion that the HDK is a blatant copy........but that is a serious accusation that you have no proof of, just an opinion.

The first one I ever saw, I built and was looked at by lots of people at various Mopar events. Do I think I built the first one?....hardly, but I had never seen one before I built my own. The idea of removing the T-bars and using racks, goes back to the 70s Pro-Stocks at least. I still have the Car Craft magazine that has a detailed look at how it was done on the Mopar Missle. They removed the t-bar, solid mounted the rear of the lower control arm and sunk the rack in the K-member. Anyone with an ounce of mechanical ability could read that, look at the pics and see how to make it better......because that is what I did. So to me, saying that someones system is a blatant copy is far fetched. Because I know that myself, I look at all of them and see SOMETHING that I would change, if I was doing it myself and I feel certain that most all the companies that make them felt the same way. We all know the HDK shocks mount way different, so that alone eliminates the "blatant copy" remarks. Yeah, the k-members themselves look similar........but don't they HAVE to, since they all mount in the same spot and do the same thing?

I don't know Hemi Denny, nor do I know Mr. Reilly, other than talking to him on the phone 20 something years ago, when he called to ask what I did to manage the bump steer issue on my own car, when using a factory Pinto rack. I also own no K-member or system from ANY of these companies, so have no vested interest in any of them either. If some were accusing Bill, I would be saying the same thing.

As was alluded to above........various companies have been making "street rod" kits for years, that used Pinto racks, Mustang II control arms and spindles. Smart guys thought, hey, it would be easy to make a k-member to put those same common parts under a Mopar. Is only ONE allowed to have that idea? I think not

I just want cool sh it lol