Re: should this make 600 hp
[Re: Blucuda413]
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12/23/15 08:54 AM
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This discussion begs the question, how accurate are the published formulas based on ET, MPH and weight. I've always accepted the results as valid, but are they?? The published hp per cfm apply to the guy that published them, but might not apply elsewhere depending on details of the rest of the engine combination. I'll surely catch some flak, but 241 cfm @ 28" on SF-1020 made 625hp on a SF-901. Was with a 12.5-1, hyd.roller cam, 360ci, 10.20 @ 131 in a 3300 lb. car. I keep my own notes on builds, and have my own expectations based on the entire combination.
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Re: should this make 600 hp
[Re: sam64]
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12/23/15 10:01 AM
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Although the engine combo sounds light for that amount of power, you can't argue with actual et/mph. As long as the numbers are accurate.
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Re: should this make 600 hp
[Re: sam64]
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12/23/15 01:07 PM
12/23/15 01:07 PM
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BradH
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thanks for the feed back guys,i will put in the car and see what I get. Is this the same car w/ the 10.86 at 123 ET & MPH in the signature? What's it weigh, and under what conditions did it run that?
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Re: should this make 600 hp
[Re: Blucuda413]
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12/23/15 01:14 PM
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BradH
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This discussion begs the question, how accurate are the published formulas based on ET, MPH and weight. I've always accepted the results as valid, but are they?? Even those seem subject to confusion (e.g. "flywheel hp" vs "rear wheel hp"), so they require qualifiers when used. Unless the dyno results come from the one I've used the last couple of times (Porter Racing Heads'), I believe only what I can calculate from the MPH on an ET slip, at a measured as-run weight, under known atmospheric conditions that can be standardized for comparison. Everything else still throws in unknowns / variables that can skew the results.
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Re: should this make 600 hp
[Re: BradH]
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12/23/15 01:20 PM
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it will be going in that car,that was with a 11.5 440,car weighs 3340 w driver. thanks for the feed back guys,i will put in the car and see what I get. Is this the same car w/ the 10.86 at 123 ET & MPH in the signature? What's it weigh, and under what conditions did it run that?
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Re: should this make 600 hp
[Re: LSP]
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12/23/15 01:46 PM
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AndyF
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This discussion begs the question, how accurate are the published formulas based on ET, MPH and weight. I've always accepted the results as valid, but are they?? The published hp per cfm apply to the guy that published them, but might not apply elsewhere depending on details of the rest of the engine combination. I'll surely catch some flak, but 241 cfm @ 28" on SF-1020 made 625hp on a SF-901. Was with a 12.5-1, hyd.roller cam, 360ci, 10.20 @ 131 in a 3300 lb. car. I keep my own notes on builds, and have my own expectations based on the entire combination. It is always possible to have combos that over achieve. The vast majority under achieve the 2 cfm per hp rule though. But really well sorted out combos with good heads, big cams and high compression can over achieve. My EZ heads flow 360 cfm and they've made over 900 hp on a short block with lot of compression, gas ported pistons, dry sump, etc. The 2 hp per cfm is just a rule of thumb that applies to the typical bracket type engine. SS, Comp Eliminator and Pro Stock engines get closer to 3 hp per cfm.
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Re: should this make 600 hp
[Re: sam64]
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12/23/15 02:12 PM
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My solid cammed 906 headed 12.1.1 470 made 615 hp and 580 tq.........
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Re: should this make 600 hp
[Re: onebadfish]
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12/23/15 02:22 PM
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I have a 512 with promax heads - 11.2/1 compression. I dynoed last week at 608 hp and 649 torque. Heads are cnc flowing 335. Cam is 260 @ .050. Roller rockers with 1.5 to 1 ratio. Cam is a solid flat tappet and intake is a 6 pack port matched to the heads and ported. I think you may be a little short with a 470 cubic inch motor. That combo and dyno results look right in line with what I would expect. I think a better intake/ carb combo would better utilize the 335cfm heads and make even more power.
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