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Re: New Guide for Laws Regarding Motorsports Trailers
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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Note to self: don't put your name on race trailer....keep trailer small....use money from smaller trailer to build better race car.
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Re: New Guide for Laws Regarding Motorsports Trailers
[Re: BuckeyeBrawler]
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12/07/15 12:15 PM
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I'm legal for MOST states around here.. I have a 65' total length here.. one other state near me has a max trailer length of 40' and a total length of 65'.. my trailer is 3' longer than their limit but I am shorter than the total length... but I have never hauled in their state... I just hope the cops have this data and read it 
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Re: New Guide for Laws Regarding Motorsports Trailers
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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12/07/15 12:31 PM
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Most of those laws and regulations have been around for a long time.
It was guys with the Toter homes that started to draw the Attention of local law enforcement. Ant time you have your name on a trailer they figure it is a business and that requires a DOT number and commercial plates.
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Re: New Guide for Laws Regarding Motorsports Trailers
[Re: JSR1485]
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12/07/15 12:49 PM
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Most of those laws and regulations have been around for a long time.
It was guys with the Toter homes that started to draw the Attention of local law enforcement. Ant time you have your name on a trailer they figure it is a business and that requires a DOT number and commercial plates. Myself, I've never had any lettering on my trailers and I've only been pulled over 1 time and that was for a minor speeding(5 over).. he let me go and just said to watch my speed.. he did ask what was in the trailer which I told him.. I asked if he would like to see inside but he didnt care too... so I went on my way.. that was with the truck and trailer I run now
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Re: New Guide for Laws Regarding Motorsports Trailers
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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12/07/15 02:22 PM
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55 mph is the maximum
speed for any vehicle or
vehicle combination that
weighs over 8,000 lbs.
I had no idea Ohio had this rule.
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Re: New Guide for Laws Regarding Motorsports Trailers
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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12/07/15 02:32 PM
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A racer was sited for hauling fuel across State lines in a "non-DOT approved container" A fuel cell in the race car. The fine was $4,000.
Also no stickers of any kind on trailer or car
Most Stock & SuperStock guys have taken all of their stickers off their cars.
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Re: New Guide for Laws Regarding Motorsports Trailers
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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12/07/15 02:39 PM
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This took place last year
One of the Nostalgia Super Stock Guys got busted by the IL State Troopers, on the way to the NMCA race at Gateway, Memorial Day weekend.
Gray haired, grandpa, looking guy was towing a 24', non-stickered, enclosed trailer (under 10K GVW), with his 2500 Dodge Ram.
Trooper pulled him over asked what he had in the trailer. the guy responded, a race car. Trooper looked at the car and said because the car had stickers on it (contingency decals?), he was racing for money, and that made him commercial. Trooper said he had to have CDL lisc., log book, DOT physical, DOT number, etc. His car is a 12 second car, that doesn't even have a name on the side!
A week later, he got a ticket in the mail, addressed to his name " Racing". $750.00 fine for no DOT numbers on his "rig".... and if it wasn't paid promptly, it would be $1,000.00.
This isn't some second-hand, internet story. It happened this year to one of our friends we race with at NMCA.
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Re: New Guide for Laws Regarding Motorsports Trailers
[Re: JSR1485]
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12/07/15 03:03 PM
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A racer was sited for hauling fuel across State lines in a "non-DOT approved container" A fuel cell in the race car. The fine was $4,000.
Also no stickers of any kind on trailer or car
Most Stock & SuperStock guys have taken all of their stickers off their cars. Your allowed to carry 100 gals of fuel in the proper and labeled containers which is 2 55 gal drums(they dont actually have 55 gals in them)... anything more than that you need a CDL.. I use to carry 40 55 gal drum to different events for Chrysler and had to get a CDL due to this issue.. I was using a U-Haul truck that didnt have any labeling but being that I was a representative of Chrysler I had to be legal and ended up getting the CDL.. but I dropped it a couple of years later due to the hassles with it EDIT Also.. the drums MUST be grounded at ALL TIMES ... I normally carry a 30 gal drum of fuel besides whats in the fuel cell.. and the drum is grounded
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Re: New Guide for Laws Regarding Motorsports Trailers
[Re: JSR1485]
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12/07/15 04:18 PM
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This took place last year
One of the Nostalgia Super Stock Guys got busted by the IL State Troopers, on the way to the NMCA race at Gateway, Memorial Day weekend.
Gray haired, grandpa, looking guy was towing a 24', non-stickered, enclosed trailer (under 10K GVW), with his 2500 Dodge Ram.
Trooper pulled him over asked what he had in the trailer. the guy responded, a race car. Trooper looked at the car and said because the car had stickers on it (contingency decals?), he was racing for money, and that made him commercial. Trooper said he had to have CDL lisc., log book, DOT physical, DOT number, etc. His car is a 12 second car, that doesn't even have a name on the side!
A week later, he got a ticket in the mail, addressed to his name " Racing". $750.00 fine for no DOT numbers on his "rig".... and if it wasn't paid promptly, it would be $1,000.00.
This isn't some second-hand, internet story. It happened this year to one of our friends we race with at NMCA.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: New Guide for Laws Regarding Motorsports Trailers
[Re: BuckeyeBrawler]
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12/07/15 04:30 PM
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I am continually amazed by how STUPID our government is. We have terrorists killing people on American soil, drug problems throughout the country. Problems that need to be dealt with, yet they still have time to jack around working guys racing as a HOBBY !! Used to be great country. Sure would like to take it back. Can anybody tell me when the last time your trailer killed 14 people and injured 17 others. The reason, we are an easy mark, with money in our pockets! Look at all the "groups" that can raise flack and sue back(and win) it's not worth the hassle to mess with them, but us little guys, we're fish in a barrel.
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Re: New Guide for Laws Regarding Motorsports Trailers
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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12/07/15 05:01 PM
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So in pa we can be 65ft overall length, with a fifth wheel and truck. Doesn't say for a bumper pull.
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Re: New Guide for Laws Regarding Motorsports Trailers
[Re: jcc]
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12/07/15 05:25 PM
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This took place last year
One of the Nostalgia Super Stock Guys got busted by the IL State Troopers, on the way to the NMCA race at Gateway, Memorial Day weekend.
Gray haired, grandpa, looking guy was towing a 24', non-stickered, enclosed trailer (under 10K GVW), with his 2500 Dodge Ram.
Trooper pulled him over asked what he had in the trailer. the guy responded, a race car. Trooper looked at the car and said because the car had stickers on it (contingency decals?), he was racing for money, and that made him commercial. Trooper said he had to have CDL lisc., log book, DOT physical, DOT number, etc. His car is a 12 second car, that doesn't even have a name on the side!
A week later, he got a ticket in the mail, addressed to his name " Racing". $750.00 fine for no DOT numbers on his "rig".... and if it wasn't paid promptly, it would be $1,000.00.
This isn't some second-hand, internet story. It happened this year to one of our friends we race with at NMCA.
According to the OP posted link, if the driver doesn't have his IRS tax return with him ( a facetious comment in the link) and the LEO has any suspicion its a commercial use, he cites the driver and says tell it to the judge. Hard to believe a decal constitutes enough suspicion to warrant a citation. The link also mentions transporting fuel in a "non DOT approved fuel cell", I don't know of any DOT approved racing fuel cells. It also clearly mentioned PU's are considered "trucks", and need to be in full compliance as applicable. I don't see any real upside to the link for racers. What?????
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Re: New Guide for Laws Regarding Motorsports Trailers
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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12/07/15 05:36 PM
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So in pa we can be 65ft overall length, with a fifth wheel and truck. Doesn't say for a bumper pull. Your still allowed a max of 65'... some states show a max trailer length and a max total length... thats the reason I am not legal in IL... they have a max trailer length and I am 3' over that but still within the total length(I run a fifth wheel trailer)
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Re: New Guide for Laws Regarding Motorsports Trailers
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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12/07/15 05:38 PM
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http://insurancenewsnet.com/oarticle/201...p-a-512442.htmlMany racers tell me that they do not put logos/signage on the hauler because of the DOT claiming it would be a commercial vehicle and that it would increase the cost of insurance and registration and require a special license. Others have told me there are no logos on their hauler because it would draw attention that they are hauling a race car and could result in the vehicle being stolen. On top of that, fines are being levied for carrying fuel in a non-DOT-approved container (the fuel cell!) regardless of size and gross vehicle weight rating. As for the IRS saying racing is a hobby or a business, there are some proper procedures you should follow so that you do not get into tax troubles. Get a good accountant who can save you a heap of headaches.
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Re: New Guide for Laws Regarding Motorsports Trailers
[Re: d7cook]
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12/07/15 06:13 PM
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55 mph is the maximum
speed for any vehicle or
vehicle combination that
weighs over 8,000 lbs.
I had no idea Ohio had this rule. Pretty sure that is no longer correct. Ohio did limit the speed based on weight a few yrs back but the law was changed. Now semi's, cars and mortorcycles have the same posted speed on the interstates.
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Re: New Guide for Laws Regarding Motorsports Trailers
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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12/07/15 06:22 PM
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Did some checking House Bill 2 in 2009 raised Ohios truck speed limit to 65mph, Then in 2013 raised it aagain to 70 mph to align it with the car speed limit of 70mph.
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