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Re: PPP shifter, forward or reverse pattern? [Re: J_BODY] #1963591 12/05/15 02:49 AM 12/05/15 02:49 AM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,608 fresno ca M mikeysmopars OP top fuel
mikeysmopars OP top fuel M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,608 fresno ca	Thanks j, is that the bracket supplied by ppp or your fabbed up one? Founder and CEO of the Central Valley Mopar Drag Pack

Re: PPP shifter, forward or reverse pattern? [Re: mikeysmopars] #1963599 12/05/15 03:07 AM 12/05/15 03:07 AM
Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 13,241 aZLiViN J J_BODY I Live Here
J_BODY I Live Here J Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 13,241 aZLiViN	the large aluminum one is the PPP piece... but looking at your picts of your fender type collectors, I don't think you'll have to change a thing.... but as I stated, if you make the easy one that I did mounting off of the ear of the case, you'll be able to drop the pan without messing with a bracket. No biggie, but something easier.

Re: PPP shifter, forward or reverse pattern? [Re: 383man] #1963735 12/05/15 12:47 PM 12/05/15 12:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,945 Weddington, N.C. Streetwize master
Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,945 Weddington, N.C.	Ron, Justin explained it pretty well. The 1-2 is really a can't miss with the RVB and the forward SCS gate. The only slight downside on the 2-3 is you have to ' over and up' (against the detent spring) no big deal it terms of time ti shift...but it's worth it for peace of mind hitting the ( harder and more critical to execute) 1-2 as hard as you want. As a lot of us know you can possibly 'shift past 3 and hit the '1-3' if you hit it just slightly askew with the scs rvb gate. The ppp and similar shifters look cool, its almost like the scs/winters style gating layed over on it's side. I like the double neutral of the PPP, thats one of the disadvantages of a conventional RVB, you cant go from high to N without downshifting through the gates. Last edited by Streetwize; 12/05/15 12:51 PM. WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: PPP shifter, forward or reverse pattern? [Re: Streetwize] #1964146 12/06/15 12:37 AM 12/06/15 12:37 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	Originally Posted By Streetwize Ron, Justin explained it pretty well. The 1-2 is really a can't miss with the RVB and the forward SCS gate. The only slight downside on the 2-3 is you have to ' over and up' (against the detent spring) no big deal it terms of time ti shift...but it's worth it for peace of mind hitting the ( harder and more critical to execute) 1-2 as hard as you want. As a lot of us know you can possibly 'shift past 3 and hit the '1-3' if you hit it just slightly askew with the scs rvb gate. The ppp and similar shifters look cool, its almost like the scs/winters style gating layed over on it's side. I like the double neutral of the PPP, thats one of the disadvantages of a conventional RVB, you cant go from high to N without downshifting through the gates. Thanks Wize. Ron

Re: PPP shifter, forward or reverse pattern? [Re: mikeysmopars] #1964508 12/06/15 06:41 PM 12/06/15 06:41 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 422 Columbus, OH B Ben Holt mopar
Ben Holt mopar B Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 422 Columbus, OH	You're absolutely right, J-Body. Your install looks very well thought out. I was merely saying that if a little mods or close tolerances to the headers are the main decision to whether or not you purchase a PPP......then it should be a no-brainer!! We are a dealer for them, and we always have really good luck getting them in a timely manner, so if anyone needs some help we are here.

Re: PPP shifter, forward or reverse pattern? [Re: mikeysmopars] #2340194 07/20/17 08:47 AM 07/20/17 08:47 AM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 296 Germany 1 1964Polara enthusiast
1964Polara enthusiast 1 Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 296 Germany	Can I use the KWIK II in that configuration for push/upshifting: Rear Exit and rear entry with the rear entry bracket from the KWIK I ? Anyone tried this? I want rear enty anyhow but prefer the price of KWIK II https://www.facebook.com/UncleHarrysMusclecargarage

Re: PPP shifter, forward or reverse pattern? [Re: mikeysmopars] #2340256 07/20/17 11:08 AM 07/20/17 11:08 AM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 422 Columbus, OH B Ben Holt mopar
Ben Holt mopar B Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 422 Columbus, OH	The kwik shift 2 is not available in a rear trans entry. You can get the kwik 2 in the push to upshift configuration, but they do not offer that shifter model in the rear trans entry configuration. If you want to have the cable enter the rear of the trans, it HAS to be either a PS1 or KS1

Re: PPP shifter, forward or reverse pattern? [Re: mikeysmopars] #2340291 07/20/17 11:57 AM 07/20/17 11:57 AM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 296 Germany 1 1964Polara enthusiast
1964Polara enthusiast 1 Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 296 Germany	OK Ben thanx but still don't understand whats the difference whether front or rear entry. Isn't the travel distance P to R to N etc. at the lever the same whether front or rear entry? I just don't get it logically (;-)) Last edited by 1964Polara; 07/20/17 12:09 PM. https://www.facebook.com/UncleHarrysMusclecargarage

Re: PPP shifter, forward or reverse pattern? [Re: mikeysmopars] #2340475 07/20/17 05:09 PM 07/20/17 05:09 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 422 Columbus, OH B Ben Holt mopar
Ben Holt mopar B Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 422 Columbus, OH	It's their internals of the shifter. The way it was explained to me, the KS2 was originally designed to be a direct replacement for a B&M shifter. Same cable, trans bracket, etc. Then they decided to upgrade their product line and came out with the KS1, which has the ability to go rear trans entry. That's the best way I can explain it. Basically, the KS1 is a better shifter, thus more money

Re: PPP shifter, forward or reverse pattern? [Re: Ben Holt] #2340855 07/21/17 09:41 AM 07/21/17 09:41 AM
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6PKRTSE master 6 Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,663 Motor City	I have the PPP shifter for my car with just the regular ole reverse manual valve body shift pattern and trans brake. 1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute 1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack 1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi 1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL 1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383 1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440 1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4 2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4 2012 Challenger R/T Classic.

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