Re: Trick Flow heads
[Re: fast68plymouth]
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MPH can be skewed by a lot of things un related to the engine also... aero dynamics, gearing, stall, chassis set up, driver... just to name a few. Dyno and flow bench are tools to help you get a better number at the track but if you don't know how to use them they are worthless just like a wrench if you don't know what to do with it.
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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On another topic, Andy.... Did you check the net lift with and without lash with the full sping load? I'm wondering how much flex is in those rockers. I haven't done that yet but I will try to remember to next time I'm over at the dyno shop. We're planning to do some more carb and intake manifold testing the end of this week. I'd love to hit 700 hp with this combo but I'm guessing that I need a little bigger cam in order to see that number. Torque peak right now is at 5700 with peak HP at 6300. Cam is 271/.460 lobe single pattern. We'll try a lash cycle and maybe retard the cam a couple of degrees to see which way to go for more power. Peak HP and TQ only occuring 600 rpm apart? Any chance of valvetrain instability? Peak power I would expect a minimum of 1000 rpm more than TQ = 6700. I doubt it's the cam's duration. J.Rob
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Re: Trick Flow heads
[Re: fast68plymouth]
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12/13/15 01:12 AM
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On another topic, Andy.... Did you check the net lift with and without lash with the full sping load? I'm wondering how much flex is in those rockers. I checked the net lift with the full spring load and there doesn't appear to be much flex. Gross lift is .690 but actual net lift with 0.015 cold lash is .680. So that tells me that the rocker arms are a touch more than the 1.50 adv ratio. With the checking spring and no lash I was getting around .694 so there doesn't appear to be much flex at all.
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Re: Trick Flow heads
[Re: fast68plymouth]
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12/13/15 02:37 AM
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Looks like those rockers are quite rigid. Be nice if they started making those again.
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Re: Trick Flow heads
[Re: AndyF]
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12/13/15 02:41 PM
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On another topic, Andy.... Did you check the net lift with and without lash with the full sping load? I'm wondering how much flex is in those rockers. I checked the net lift with the full spring load and there doesn't appear to be much flex. Gross lift is .690 but actual net lift with 0.015 cold lash is .680. So that tells me that the rocker arms are a touch more than the 1.50 adv ratio. With the checking spring and no lash I was getting around .694 so there doesn't appear to be much flex at all. Nice indicator set-up!
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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Another steel rocker besides comp would be nice! I contacted ras a couple weeks ago and they said they will have another rocker out for us soon. From what I have heard.. I dont know for fact.. but TD is making steel rockers also.. I dont know what they fit or if they are making for BB or SB
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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MPH can be skewed by a lot of things un related to the engine also... aero dynamics, gearing, stall, chassis set up, driver... just to name a few. Dyno and flow bench are tools to help you get a better number at the track but if you don't know how to use them they are worthless just like a wrench if you don't know what to do with it. MPH will never be calibrated beyond what it is. Factors causing it to be low yes, but not high. Doug
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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andy f,so your saying the jesel belt drive is the best choice,dont the belt has to be changed every year I like to use a belt drive when using a big solid roller. The belt drive provides a solid thrust adjustment, it works well with the crank trigger, it provides a simple way to mount a belt driven distributor and it makes it easy to adjust/change the camshaft.
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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12/13/15 05:55 PM
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Andy; what rockers do you have on those haeds? I see that you have mopar valve covers? Thanks Rocker arms are from RAS. Yes, I have MP covers but I don't really like them. I'm going to make my own covers since I'm tired of messing around with stuff that doesn't fit right.
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Re: Trick Flow heads
[Re: fast68plymouth]
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I have a set of these heads coming to Australia for a mild 440 build. Thanks for all the info Andy.
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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What brand and size of studs are those for the valve covers? Are those Moroso Gaskets? ARP stainless steel valve cover studs. Moroso valve cover gaskets.
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