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Re: Correct sound deadner and wheel well undercoat [Re: jbc426] #195557
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Practice certainly helps...

I have the mix about as thick as possible while keeping it useable through a shutz style gun.
In the future I'm going to be playing around with a new gun design to further "tweek" the results.

A couple things help with the buildups...
(most detailed in my instructions).
1. Warm temps help... cold tends to slow down the drying and allow the material to flow too smooth.
2. I like to build up a good thick base and get the basic coverage areas without being super worried about the texture. Then I'll let it sit overnight and then come back with light mist coats to get the texture perfected.
3. Light coats with the highest pressure allowed seems to work best. (60psi usually depending on the gun manufacturer).
4. Gun stop patterns are easily reproduced with a cardboard scrap used as a mask.
5. Using foam aperture tape works well for soft blend edges.
6. It's also very important to thoroughly mix the product as the textures tend to settle out significantly.

And for inquiring minds, my mixture is exclusive and not the same as the Gibson/Badalson product.

Rick


Re: Correct sound deadner and wheel well undercoat [Re: RestoRick] #195558
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Sorry guys, don't mean to sound dumb here but what is a "Schutz" gun? Is it just the brand of gun?

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Re: Correct sound deadner and wheel well undercoat [Re: 71rm23] #195559
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A body shutz gun is a very simple, you could call it crude, siphon-type spray gun; usually screws on to the container of body schutz, which is about a 1-quart size. They're available from your local autobody supply.

Re: Correct sound deadner and wheel well undercoat [Re: topside] #195560
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Here is another "action" shot that shows the shutz gun a little better.

Jim

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Re: Correct sound deadner and wheel well undercoat [Re: 68jim] #195561
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As far as the undercoating on the quarters inside the trunk...was that applied before or after the body was painted?

Re: Correct sound deadner and wheel well undercoat [Re: burdar] #195562
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Quote:

As far as the undercoating on the quarters inside the trunk...was that applied before or after the body was painted?




Before paint.

Re: Correct sound deadner and wheel well undercoat [Re: AdamR] #195563
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On an E-body, what areas did the factory undercoat reguardless if you opted for the undercoating option? Were the rear wheelwells undercoated along with the inner quarters. What about the inside of the front fenders?

Re: Correct sound deadner and wheel well undercoat [Re: burdar] #195564
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all cars had the rear wheel wells, backside of the front aprons and the inside of the quarters done.

Re: Correct sound deadner and wheel well undercoat [Re: AdamR] #195565
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Quote:

all cars had the rear wheel wells, backside of the front aprons and the inside of the quarters done.






Please excuse my ignorance but could you explain what you mean my "front aprons." Are you talking about the back of the front fenders...or the inner fenders in the wheel well. Thanks

Also, when you said that the inner quarter panels were sprayed with unercoating first(before the body was painted)...was all the undercoating done at one time(before paint)? Others have posted pictures that show otherwise.

Re: Correct sound deadner and wheel well undercoat [Re: topside] #195566
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Quote:

A body shutz gun is a very simple, you could call it crude, siphon-type spray gun; usually screws on to the container of body schutz, which is about a 1-quart size. They're available from your local autobody supply.


Thats what I thought but I wanted to know for sure. THANKS

Re: Correct sound deadner and wheel well undercoat [Re: 71rm23] #195567
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Trunk compartment was sprayed before painting. Wheelhouses (and floors, if optioned) were done after paint. The entire wheelhouse was sprayed, whether front or rear, the fronts requiring a lot more material, which ended up on the ft & rear access covers (aft of headlamps & forward of hinge pillars), with some on the inside face of the fender. Cars with optional undercoating added the floor aft of the firewall seam.

Re: Correct sound deadner and wheel well undercoat [Re: topside] #195568
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So I assume the brake and fuel lines were already installed before undercoating. What about the plastic starter shield on the bottom of the frame and the plastic fender shields back by the doors?

Re: Correct sound deadner and wheel well undercoat [Re: sawdust] #195569
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hopefully I'll be doing this soon myself.



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Re: Correct sound deadner and wheel well undercoat [Re: sawdust] #195570
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i do believe the insides of the doors and quarters were done before the door skin was welded to the frame and the quarters were installed on the uni body. no 2 cars are the same and there is no such thing as perfect when it comes to a car.its all in your head.

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