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Re: The Crow, Street Outlaws car involved in bad wreck
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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11/16/15 01:44 AM
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The price of TV fame! When you push the envelope, you sometimes pay. When you do stupid shat, you ALWAYS pay! Street racing is the stupid side of what we do.
Fastest 300
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Re: The Crow, Street Outlaws car involved in bad wreck
[Re: Airwoofer]
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11/16/15 01:11 PM
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Mr.Yuck
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Is it confirmed that the drivers are OK? If so, great news!!!. I can't get the show on the home tee vee,  Chief is in the hospital still I think. TMZ "Chief's in the hospital with an injured back, a dislocated shoulder and an injured lung .. and his L2 and L3 vertebrae are reportedly crushed" If that's Ok I don't want any part of it. He won't be racing or working on cars any time soon.
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Re: The Crow, Street Outlaws car involved in bad wreck
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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11/16/15 01:27 PM
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Adobedude
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Never watched it...Never will.
I had a street "racer" paint the side of my Dodge Ram towing the Dakota home from the track late one night, took my Ram out from bumper to bumper.
Street racing, ANY street racing is stupid, I don't care how you paint it.
2001 Dodge Dakota
408 All Motor
11.27 @ 117.83 mph
2017 NM Mopar Challenge Series Champion.
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Re: The Crow, Street Outlaws car involved in bad wreck
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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11/16/15 02:20 PM
11/16/15 02:20 PM
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"I have never heard of an Implied Consent Form being denied by a court."
Judges shred them every day - not because the concept is vague, but because the semi-literate attorneys can't construct anything more complex than a lunch order. Perhaps you're thinking of Traffic Court?
An Implied Consent Form (like you get from the vending machine in the DMV) is the wet Kleenex of waivers, the absolute weakest protection, since the actual risk does not appear as specific language, instead "the subscribed Party releases everyone from anything"; hence, the term "implied". An easy visual "tell": it's notarized as an affidavit ("subscribed & sworn") rather than the proper language.
"Just because you get sued don't mean a thing."
Actually, that part isn't shown on your favorite TV show. It's where the insurance company pisses blood when they see that the Implied Consent Form they were relying on is based on a model recently deprecated in an Appellate Court decision, and offers a settlement. See, you don't have to actually win a decision to get money?
Not sure? Perhaps you might try reading "The New York Law Journal" instead of Tiger Beat, that's the paper of record for the New York State First Judicial Department. I had it delivered to my office every morning - as Court staff I got it free, it's only $480. a year to students.
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Re: The Crow, Street Outlaws car involved in bad wreck
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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11/16/15 02:22 PM
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Crizila
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^^^^^Yep, I have rode bikes FAST, in states with no helmet law, used to ride bulls, been bungee jumping, jumped out of an airplane and water skied at 100 mph on a slalom ski..............so I guess you can put me in the "stupid sheeat" group...........LOL Guess ya-all didn't get my point, so let me try to splane it in simpler terms. Riding bikes fast is pushing the safety envelope. Doing it in traffic without a helmet is - stupid ( helmet law or not ). Nobody wants to see anyone get hurt, but to glorify or feel too sorry for someone that knowingly takes unnecessary ( reads stupid ) risks and then ends up busted up in the hospital is - stupid. Hope this helps with the distinction I was trying to make. BTW, I really enjoy watching the Pro-Mod cars run at NHRA events. Some of the coolest racing going. Maybe if NHRA did a better job of promoting and paying them, less stupid shat would go on. 
Fastest 300
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Re: The Crow, Street Outlaws car involved in bad wreck
[Re: Crizila]
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11/16/15 03:42 PM
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Monte_Smith
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^^^^^Yep, I have rode bikes FAST, in states with no helmet law, used to ride bulls, been bungee jumping, jumped out of an airplane and water skied at 100 mph on a slalom ski..............so I guess you can put me in the "stupid sheeat" group...........LOL Guess ya-all didn't get my point, so let me try to splane it in simpler terms. Riding bikes fast is pushing the safety envelope. Doing it in traffic without a helmet is - stupid ( helmet law or not ). Nobody wants to see anyone get hurt, but to glorify or feel too sorry for someone that knowingly takes unnecessary ( reads stupid ) risks and then ends up busted up in the hospital is - stupid. Hope this helps with the distinction I was trying to make. BTW, I really enjoy watching the Pro-Mod cars run at NHRA events. Some of the coolest racing going. Maybe if NHRA did a better job of promoting and paying them, less stupid shat would go on. Your theory holds ZERO water, because what is unnecessary risk, or considered stupid, is not the same to all people. Drag racing in general, be it on a road or track is considered stupid to many. Indy cars with little to no roll bar. 200 mph drag boats. Running 400 mph on the slat flats, on rough salt, no barriers and no safety support equipment within potential miles of a crash site........Riding a bike with no helmet, riding bucking bulls, skydiving, bungee jumping, cliff diving............whatever "extreme" sport you can think of, many will consider you "stupid" for doing it.
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Re: The Crow, Street Outlaws car involved in bad wreck
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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11/16/15 04:16 PM
11/16/15 04:16 PM
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TRENDZ
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More people will die on their way home from work today than will die drag racing this year.
Maybe we should lock ourselves in the house and turn out the lights.
"use it 'till it breaks, replace as needed"
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Re: The Crow, Street Outlaws car involved in bad wreck
[Re: polyspheric]
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11/16/15 04:53 PM
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"I have never heard of an Implied Consent Form being denied by a court."
Judges shred them every day - not because the concept is vague, but because the semi-literate attorneys can't construct anything more complex than a lunch order. Perhaps you're thinking of Traffic Court?
An Implied Consent Form (like you get from the vending machine in the DMV) is the wet Kleenex of waivers, the absolute weakest protection, since the actual risk does not appear as specific language, instead "the subscribed Party releases everyone from anything"; hence, the term "implied". An easy visual "tell": it's notarized as an affidavit ("subscribed & sworn") rather than the proper language.
"Just because you get sued don't mean a thing."
Actually, that part isn't shown on your favorite TV show. It's where the insurance company pisses blood when they see that the Implied Consent Form they were relying on is based on a model recently deprecated in an Appellate Court decision, and offers a settlement. See, you don't have to actually win a decision to get money?
Not sure? Perhaps you might try reading "The New York Law Journal" instead of Tiger Beat, that's the paper of record for the New York State First Judicial Department. I had it delivered to my office every morning - as Court staff I got it free, it's only $480. a year to students. OK hero. If you know so much, why is it the insurance companies "piss blood"?? You and I both KNOW it's because they are into mitigating THEIR loses, not prove who is right or wrong. I don't give a single %^$# what you read or get for free, or where you work or worked. When Lori Johns got tangled up with Jim Van Cleve and threated to sue EVERYONE (which is how she got to TF...in part) the INSURANCE LAWYERS folded up and PAID to keep it out of the courts, for FEAR a rogue judge will do the dirty to them. Then none of us would race. Let me know when you get to the real world. And don't PM me again.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: The Crow, Street Outlaws car involved in bad wreck
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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11/16/15 05:36 PM
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Digger73
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I'm blaming my love of drag racing on American Graffiti. Aroura slot cars and Hot Wheels did it to me. Digger73 (Mike)
I live with fear everyday but, sometimes she lets me race!
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Re: The Crow, Street Outlaws car involved in bad wreck
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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11/16/15 06:11 PM
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72Swinger
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Lawyers are scum sucking leaches, and Judges all used to be lawyers.
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Re: The Crow, Street Outlaws car involved in bad wreck
[Re: madscientist]
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11/16/15 07:54 PM
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polyspheric
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Your remarks illustrate lack of competence with the subject matter.
Perhaps you would enlighten us as to the exact nature of your own vast legal experience? Filing unemployment claims? Parking tickets?
Don't PM you, or what? Does some sinister fate await me? Or will you just bore us to death?
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Re: The Crow, Street Outlaws car involved in bad wreck
[Re: TheOtherDodge]
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11/16/15 08:09 PM
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polyspheric
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You've got it - "informed consent" is what's missing, some demonstration that what the drivers anticipated (and agreed not to claim against) was the only threat. The moment anything else appears contributory, the consent can be successfully attacked.
What killed the tobacco companies: even though it was known that smoking was dangerous 100 years ago (remember? called "coffin nails" in WW1?), it was discovered that the tobacco companies knew about and withheld even worse information.
This is the essence of fraud (and dealing in bad faith): the statements were known to be false, offered for the specific purpose of attracting new smokers, and the potential customers had no access to better information (called "substantial reliance").
It doesn't have to rise to the level of provable fact, only to the point where the defendant/respondent (insurance etc.) would rather pay than risk a big jury verdict.
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