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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
[Re: Publicbottle]
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This should help some....
....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
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01/15/09 01:26 PM
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Thanks as always Troy for sharing your info.
I the finish for the cowl etc is Organisol.
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
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What about the radiator support (or is that a cuda thing)?
The radiator support does get blacked out.
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
[Re: Mastershake340]
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AWESOME info guys!! THANKS!!  How about the tail panel and around the trunk lid? Just to confirm: All blacked out areas are Organisol??
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
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01/15/09 06:33 PM
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Did the AAR's also get the black under the rear spoiler?
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Did the AAR's also get the black under the rockers?
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which color, organosol or flat for under hood? Thanks, Mike
Trim paint or Organisol could be used.
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
[Re: Sixpackman340]
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01/15/09 08:49 PM
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what was the point of going through the trouble of painting the pinch weld on the rocker???
Pinch welds are ugly, this 'disguises" them.
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Is that a decal under the spoiler?
Yes, they come with the T/A stripe kit. The intent with the T/As was that no body color would show from the rear of the car in this area.
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around the cowl, did the factory tape it off like that or did they just overspray onto the firewall?
They sprayed the black first, then masked it off and sprayed the body color.
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
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01/16/09 04:08 AM
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Here are pics that I took in back in 92 to document a T/A that I was painting for a buddy. The car came to me with the outside already stripped, but I took pics to document the blackout and the undercoating in the front wheel wells. It was a rust free car, but had a few other issues. I copied large and smaller (640x480) one to photobucket. The entire album is at, http://s471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/SNK-EYZ/T%20A%20%20Challenger%20Documentation/ The smaller pics.          Hope these help. I've got a few more pics thatI didn't upload. I'm not sure where the car ended up after my buddy sold it. I know it won best paint at the Nats in the mid to late 90's, that made me feel good. 
Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
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01/16/09 07:33 AM
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
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01/16/09 01:16 PM
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I believe this is one of Troy's car before he stripped the paint.
The lower number says 1/2" correct?
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
[Re: Publicbottle]
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01/16/09 01:18 PM
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I believe this is one of Troy's car before he stripped the paint.
The lower number says 1/2" correct?
It looks like it as far as I can tell.
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
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01/16/09 03:11 PM
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Anyone ever hear anymore about WHEN Chrysler might release those factory diagrams?
Tav
Yeah...Right... Barry had alot of them up but Chrysler made him remove them... 
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
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01/16/09 04:45 PM
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The flash did a number on it....made it seem glossier that it really is. I mixed it to 45% flat if I remember correctly. To be honest with you, my jury is still out on if that blackout paint was textured or not. Here is a few reasons why. On my car ( April 06 1970 T/A) it was not but people keep telling me that it should be.  True Organasal (sp?) plaint was sprayed first and then the body color went over it. If you look on the pictures above, you can see this. The blackout went up the A pillars about 10" and was well under the windshield channel. Look at the pictures below......
....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
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.....I did not know why they put the black up the "A" pillar until I put the car together, the reason is so you do not see body color when you look through the windshield.
....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
[Re: Troy]
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....anyway, all that paint was not textured. It was nothing but your standard black out paint.
Here is another picture of the cowl. The funny thing about this picture is you can see the color of the car that was painted BEFORE my car!! (See the orange paint coming through) The cowl area is where they cleaned the guns out from one car to the next.
....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
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01/16/09 10:21 PM
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hey, now theres something i did not know.. 1) 10" blackout up the "A" pillar 2) cleaning the guns out on the cowl area.... cool..
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
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01/16/09 10:50 PM
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around the cowl, did the factory tape it off like that or did they just overspray onto the firewall?
They sprayed the black first, then masked it off and sprayed the body color.
My car (AAR clone) is in the paint shop now getting ready for a repaint. I would like to know exactly what is meant by this...
Does the cowl get sprayed... then body color...then radiator support and pinch welds? That doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe I have it screwed up. Why would they black out at two different times when it could be done at once (after body color)?
I am planning to skip the pinch weld and rad. support blackout since the body color will be black, but I am assuming that the cowl blackout was still applied(?). I am also assuming that Cuda's got the cowl blackout 10" up the A pillars... should I NOT be assuming?
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
[Re: Publicbottle]
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01/17/09 12:44 PM
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sorry, i got an off topic question... Does the sixpack aircleaner fit with a two speed wiper motor? 
Yes. The majority of these cars came with the 2-speed wiper motor.
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
[Re: Troy]
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01/27/09 09:39 AM
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
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.....this area was textured...
....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
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Hi Joe, Yes, the rear finish panel is textured black paint. Good luck with your project.
....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
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Great! Thanks Troy..hope you are doing well. Joe
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
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If you are going to go through all this trouble don't forget to use the 4 nut/stud per side combination to mount the fenders and not the standard bolts.
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
[Re: jrwoodjoe]
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Just because it came up.... Some cars have three studs per side. The low mile T/A had three on one side & four on the other. 
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
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I never knew about the studs and nuts, so I just checked them out on Barry's DVD. Was this a T/A only thing?
Also, is there a compilation similar to Barry's disc for AAR's? I'm about to put mine up on an overturning fixture, so I want to start planning.
Bob
AAR 4-speed 3.91, Tor-Red;
70 440 6 pack Roadrunner 4-speed 3.54, Plum Crazy;
68 Formula S conv 383 4-speed 3.23, Electric Blue;
69 Barracuda conv Slant 6 OD4 2.94, 71 B5 Blue;
78 Lil' Red Truck, Red;
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
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Were the cowls always blacked out before the body color was applied? I have owned a bunch of '70 e-bodies and would have guessed the cowl blackout came after paint since there were blackout runs over the body color...
Or, is this just a TA/AAR deal?
Yes, TA/AAR deal...
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
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Hey, I have a black T/A in storage and have not looked at it in some time (finances being what they are) but I am curious, since my car was originally black, did it still receive all of the same blackout treatments? My car has had one repaint in the 70's but they just masked off the stripes and did a quicky.
WOW, I love your car .
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
[Re: cataclysm80]
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Anyone ever hear anymore about WHEN Chrysler might release those factory diagrams?
Tav
Which ones you looking for Tav,...I have a few hundred on disc, some T/A, AAR, R/T, etc, etc,...most are electrical, driveline, body assembly, interior,glass, suspension, etc...but I have some paint/stripe prints
Mike
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
[Re: rftroy]
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I just got my AAR out of the resto shop (John's Body Shop in Nicollete MN). He has done a lot of MOPARS including TA's and AAR's. He claims to have all of the factory diagrams and from the result and all of the photos I have seen with factory cars (including the 173 mile TA) it does look right. You can check out the photos he posted on his website of my car. The website is: http://www.johns-body-shop.com/VehicleInProgress3.aspx. I am sure he would help you if you called him, his number is 507 947-3120. I will also be happy to forward some photos of the AAR as it came out of the shop to give you some visual reference if you want. My TA was painted back in 1982 and they copied the organisol exactly as it was. Pretty impressive for so long ago.
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
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Anyone ever hear anymore about WHEN Chrysler might release those factory diagrams?
Tav
Which ones you looking for Tav,...I have a few hundred on disc, some T/A, AAR, R/T, etc, etc,...most are electrical, driveline, body assembly, interior,glass, suspension, etc...but I have some paint/stripe prints
Mike
 Hi Mike. I wasn't looking for any particular drawing, but I always have an eye open for anything that I don't already have a copy of. I think I have copies of the ones Barry had up on Hamtramck Historical, but it sure would be nice to have the full sets Chrysler was supposed to release through Faxon.
Tav
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Re: Challenger T/A "blackout" areas
[Re: Troy]
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can someone post the correct finish on the inner fenders on a T/A?
thanks,
Karl
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