440 stopped running, why??
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10/25/15 10:39 PM
10/25/15 10:39 PM
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OK gentlemen, really need your help. Here's what's going on.
I have a 1969 GTX, 440, Hemi 4-speed, Dana 60 w/4.10''s, Took my dad for a ride around town, did a couple of rolling burn-outs. 3rd one I revved it to about 3000, dumped the clutch, it started to go good as usual, got mostly through 1st and heard a loud sound like a "PIIINNGGG!" kind of like to pieces of metal hitting. The engine then barely ran, idling very low (maybe 600 rpm's), giving it gas just seemed to make it worse, rolled another 50 yards or so and saw the oil pressure dropping. i turned off the engine at zero pounds of il pressure and pulled over.
Got the car home and drained the oil and pulled the filter. Oil looked fine though slight smell of gasoline. Cut open oil filter and saw no signs of metal failure,
Pulled distributor and oil pump drive shaft and both looked good. Cam gear where it meets oil pump drive shaft looked fine.
Removed oil pump and tore it apart. Some scoring on inside of pump and metal knick spots. But nothing obvious.
Car has electric fuel pump and has good fuel pressure.
Ordered new Mopar HV oil pump and hardened shaft to be on safe side. Thinking to put on new pump, add my 20/50 weight oil, prime the pump, installed new drive pump shaft and distributor and try and turn over the motor.
Any other thoughts???
Please help!
Thanks!
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Re: 440 stopped running, why??
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#1938695
10/25/15 11:56 PM
10/25/15 11:56 PM
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RapidRobert
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P/V collision. do a compression test & holler back
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Re: 440 stopped running, why??
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10/26/15 02:13 AM
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With your new pump installed, prime the pump with the drill motor in reverse, use the proper hex priming rod counter clock wise. Try priming the engine, if you get little or no oil pressure then you pull off the valve covers , check to see if any rockers are broken, check to see if all the push rods are seated properly. It sounds to me that a push rod dropped of and a lifter popped out of the bore causing the loss of oil pressure. Hopefully that is all.
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Re: 440 stopped running, why??
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#1938802
10/26/15 08:57 AM
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Already ordered a new pump and to be honest whenI took the old pump all apart didn't pay attention to get it back together right. Pause it's been on the engine since 1994, so feel safe with putting on a new one.
Seriously there are there isn't even a hand full of parts, the only thing you could put together backwards is the pressure relief valve and it's spring, the other 3 parts only go one place.
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Re: 440 stopped running, why??
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#1938878
10/26/15 11:42 AM
10/26/15 11:42 AM
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RapidRobert
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when you take apart your new pump to clean/check clearances if the circular outer rotor piece has a stamped mark on one of the flat surfaces I would install it back in the same way (on top or on the bottom). Might be nothing but never hurts to be proactive (helps keeps Mr Murphy away).
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Re: 440 stopped running, why??
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10/26/15 05:38 PM
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RapidRobert
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I'd pull the plugs (makes for easier turning) & put a 1&1/4 socket/short extension/breaker bar on the crank bolt & turn it CW. You'll know something in 2 minutes
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