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Re: Boneyard Front Suspension
[Re: Greg55_99]
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01/18/09 08:56 AM
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It's a nice looking piece...
Greg
Greg,
Are you certain that the upper spring seats are designed to be completely unsupported?
If you look at the mounting locations of the cross memenber, the entire wieght of the front end is cantilevered out on the spring mount. I cant find a decent pic to confirm this but I don't think its designed to do that. Al isn't very fatique "friendly" and the lower half of the spring seat wil be deflecting A LOT, during normal driving. I think the AL would fracture eventually if not sup)ported(5k-10k miles.
It looks to me like the aluminum spring seat just helps during assembly, but a portion of the frame is suppose to contact the spring seat to transmit the load to the rest of the chassis.
I don't mean, in any way, to discourage you, i think the idea is great. Just please varify that the Al upper spring seat needs a reinforced mount to the chassis/frame rail.
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Re: Boneyard Front Suspension
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01/18/09 12:52 PM
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Now you went and did it. I have a 69 Coronet hot rod and a 2003 Mercury Marauder. If I could get the Dodge to handle like the Merc for less than a grand it would be great. Keep us posted and let me know if pics from the Merc would help.
YES! There IS something you can do for me! Can you remove the front wheel from the Merc and take a pic of the entire front side. I need to see how the lower A arm attaches to the frame. It looks like it stretches back about 6-8".
Greg
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Re: Boneyard Front Suspension
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01/18/09 12:54 PM
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Clair pointed me to this thread, looks like a great project! I've got 3-4 more articles to write on the IRS I put in my Dart. The first one is about how I chose the thunderbird and the second one was about my subframe.
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You should start selling those... Do one for an F-body?
Greg
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Re: Boneyard Front Suspension
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01/30/09 12:11 PM
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BS on the wheel should be 5.72"
I was just thinking about this front suspension and stumbled upon this thread.
There's an F100 around the corner from me that I keep eyeballing and thinking about this....
As for mopar swap-ibility, I'd want to know the outside dims of a b-body subframe.
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Re: Boneyard Front Suspension
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02/01/09 11:48 AM
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BS on the wheel should be 5.72"
I was just thinking about this front suspension and stumbled upon this thread.
There's an F100 around the corner from me that I keep eyeballing and thinking about this....
As for mopar swap-ibility, I'd want to know the outside dims of a b-body subframe.
Anybody want to take a wack at measuring the distance between the frame rails on a B and E body?
Greg
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Re: Boneyard Front Suspension
[Re: Greg55_99]
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02/01/09 12:43 PM
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BS on the wheel should be 5.72"
I was just thinking about this front suspension and stumbled upon this thread.
There's an F100 around the corner from me that I keep eyeballing and thinking about this....
As for mopar swap-ibility, I'd want to know the outside dims of a b-body subframe.
Anybody want to take a wack at measuring the distance between the frame rails on a B and E body?
Greg
this might help..it's frame dimension diagram from my 68 charger FSM
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Re: Boneyard Front Suspension
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02/01/09 01:04 PM
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Those first two pics are of my clip and truck!  It is a nice piece. Keep in mind you need 16" wheels as a minimum. The newer crown vic cop cars actually come with 17" steel wheels. This frame needs to be dead flat where it's installed, whuich is why it seems to work so well with old trucks etc... I think you could make it work on an F body, but you may have make some brackets or something.  
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Re: Boneyard Front Suspension
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02/02/09 10:28 PM
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Greg,
It looks like the F-bod frame is also thinner than the truck where the Phord parts will bolt up. Maybe you could space it down a bit to strengthen the frame where it mounts and line up the LCA mount better? Purely from a ride height standpoint, you'd probably want to mock up the subframe to see what ride height you'd have to have for a reasonable stance. With the F-bod kicking up so high, it may sit way too low to live with if you just bolted it in. That's something I'm mulling on for my Dad's kit car where we're going to use a Jaguar front suspesion (also a nice bolt-in component).
Clair
The F body frame is a hair over 3.5" at the point where it meets the subframe. The Ford mounting space is wider so one would have to weld in more frame to make it fit.
Greg
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Re: Boneyard Front Suspension
[Re: Greg55_99]
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02/02/09 10:50 PM
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Greg,
It looks like the F-bod frame is also thinner than the truck where the Phord parts will bolt up. Maybe you could space it down a bit to strengthen the frame where it mounts and line up the LCA mount better? Purely from a ride height standpoint, you'd probably want to mock up the subframe to see what ride height you'd have to have for a reasonable stance. With the F-bod kicking up so high, it may sit way too low to live with if you just bolted it in. That's something I'm mulling on for my Dad's kit car where we're going to use a Jaguar front suspesion (also a nice bolt-in component).
Clair
The F body frame is a hair over 3.5" at the point where it meets the subframe. The Ford mounting space is wider so one would have to weld in more frame to make it fit.
Greg
This front end it way to wide for an F/M/J. our cars are ~61-62" disc face to disc face (where the wheel bolts up), the crown vic front end is ~68" wide. you'd need some super mega backspace rims and fender flares to get the wheels inside the body. now this looks like it would be an interesting setup for a fuselage body C though....
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Re: Boneyard Front Suspension
[Re: None2Slow]
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02/03/09 07:35 AM
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What about looking into the 98-2001? Crown vic. I know that in 2002 they used a different setup for the arms and all. Shocks are a different part due to the redesign. They also had a deeper offset rim as well. Still needed 16" rims though.
From what I can see, some of them had a stamped steel lower A arm and others had a cast aluminum one. Maybe that's what the difference is. Problem is, it looks like the attachment points are still the same between them.
Greg
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