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Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: dirtybee] #193293 01/15/09 12:38 AM 01/15/09 12:38 AM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central RobX4406 I Live Here
RobX4406 I Live Here Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central	Some don't like to run the continuous duty relay for the alternator. I like to run the alternator to one because when the switch gets thrown, there are NONE, ZERO, ZIP, NADA hot wires beyond the cut off and the relay. Nothing hot outside the trunk. Running the alt + to the battery keeps that line live at all times. For those playing along at home requiring a visual:

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut off [Re: Leadfoot] #193294 01/15/09 02:22 AM 01/15/09 02:22 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,246 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,246 Oregon	Quote: Does killing "All" power mean it kills the engine and it will not crank either? I can't think of a way to do it with a single set of contacts like most switches that I've seen. I've never put a lot of thought into it either. The easy way to do it is to put the switch on the negative side of the bat. But evidently the tech guys at NHRA aren't smart enough to allow that logical solution so they insist on the switch being on the positive side. Having the switch on the positive side causes several issues with the charging circuit but NHRA refuses to open their mind.

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut off [Re: AndyF] #193295 01/15/09 03:16 AM 01/15/09 03:16 AM
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 12,339 somwhere S smokinwoody I Live Here
smokinwoody I Live Here S Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 12,339 somwhere	Quote: Quote: Does killing "All" power mean it kills the engine and it will not crank either? I can't think of a way to do it with a single set of contacts like most switches that I've seen. I've never put a lot of thought into it either. The easy way to do it is to put the switch on the negative side of the bat. But evidently the tech guys at NHRA aren't smart enough to allow that logical solution so they insist on the switch being on the positive side. Having the switch on the positive side causes several issues with the charging circuit but NHRA refuses to open their mind. that being said...whenever I was tech inspected at any NHRA event,they would have me start the car then they would turn off the switch making sure the engine and all electrical would shut off..I dont recall any of them checking the battery leads or source except whether or not the battery was in a box(no firewall needed) or open and if there was a cell(firewall needed).. so..yes switching the negative is the best way..and easiest..but not allowed

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut off [Re: smokinwoody] #193296 01/15/09 07:36 AM 01/15/09 07:36 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest M MoparforLife Too Many Posts
MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Quote: the battery was in a box(no firewall needed) or open and if there was a cell(firewall needed).. so..yes switching the negative is the best way..and easiest.. Fire wall still needed if fuel cell is in the trunck area and also the box needs to be NHRA approve for that. Not just a battery box like a marine use box.

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut off [Re: MoparforLife] #193297 01/15/09 10:13 AM 01/15/09 10:13 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	IIRC the rules state that the switch must be on the POS side of the battery. I don't have a rule book with me right now so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut off [Re: WILD BILL] #193298 01/15/09 10:32 AM 01/15/09 10:32 AM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 371 Fort Worth, Texas Mike Miller enthusiast
Mike Miller enthusiast Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 371 Fort Worth, Texas	According to the NHRA rule book.... The switch must be on the positive side and stop ALL electrical fuctions. This is to shut the engine off and prevent fires from shorted wires after an accident, the same reason you always see the fire department cut the battery cables on a car after a collision hard enough to damage wiring. Why is it that a rule is put in place for your safety and then people have to try to find a way around it? These switches are a no brainer to hook up. Take the cable coming from the battery to one side of the switch, connect the other side to everything else (thru the starter relay or whatever).

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut off [Re: Mike Miller] #193299 01/15/09 12:32 PM 01/15/09 12:32 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 125 Loganville, GA S Stewart member
Stewart member S Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 125 Loganville, GA	How many times have you gotten into the car and realized the switch is in the off position? I put the switch on the driver side rollbar tube that runs from the top of the main loop to the rear of the car. Then a long rod or a chute cable can be mounted right above your head so you can also operate the switch from inside the car. If you have a problem on the track, your the first one there, so you can kill your own power.

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut off [Re: Stewart] #193300 01/15/09 05:31 PM 01/15/09 05:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 549 Bristol, Va fasteddie mopar
fasteddie mopar Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 549 Bristol, Va	Stewart, what if you are knocked out? The switch must accessable from the back of the car so track personnel can cut power. The switch must be on the positive side because if it is on the negative side and in a crash the neg. cable is cut or chafed it will provide a ground making the switch useless. Call Mark at Mad electrical 559-539-7128 he will sell you all you need to do it right. Website is www.madelectrical.com I followed his instructions and have had no problems at all. The switch can be on the main positive cable but I had a hot start problem with mine wired that way. Mark's way of wiring it solved all that and is NHRA legal too. 2003 Bristol Dragway Sportsman Champion 2016 Bristol Dragway Power Hour Champion

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut off [Re: fasteddie] #193301 01/15/09 06:13 PM 01/15/09 06:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,852 KENTUCKY 69CHARGERMD master
69CHARGERMD master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,852 KENTUCKY	Is the "Ford" solenoid a particular part number,,eg,,from NAPA or the local automotive store ? I saw in one of the pics a "Borg Warner S605 Continous Duty Relay".... (is this the Ford solenoid that people use?) ps RobX,,you da man,,great pics/diagrams,,i saved and printed all of them for future reference. Last edited by 69CHARGERMD; 01/15/09 06:16 PM.

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut off [Re: 69CHARGERMD] #193302 01/15/09 06:20 PM 01/15/09 06:20 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central RobX4406 I Live Here
RobX4406 I Live Here Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central	http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(S(saf...p;Dk=1&Dp=3 Hope that works. It's the interchange info from napa with part numbers for the relay. Can't take credit for any of the diagrams. Someone else posted them and I did the same... clicked and saved. They do come in handy!

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut off [Re: RobX4406] #193303 01/15/09 06:32 PM 01/15/09 06:32 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,852 KENTUCKY 69CHARGERMD master
69CHARGERMD master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,852 KENTUCKY	Thanks Rob, I checked the NAPA site,,,they picture 2 different solenoids,,one looks more sturdy than the other,,and price was way different,,,, Was there a particular one you used ? I also put the link to MadElectical,,,, i might get this one,,,has the wires,,and solenoid,,,and the price was pretty good.... http://www.madelectrical.com/catalog/st-1.shtml

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut off [Re: WadeMetzinger] #193304 01/15/09 06:55 PM 01/15/09 06:55 PM
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 12,339 somwhere S smokinwoody I Live Here
smokinwoody I Live Here S Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 12,339 somwhere	this be what I did..

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut off [Re: smokinwoody] #193305 01/15/09 07:15 PM 01/15/09 07:15 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 125 Loganville, GA S Stewart member
Stewart member S Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 125 Loganville, GA	Fasteddie The switch is still hooked to the rod that is out the back of the car. It has to be to be legal. But I can also work it from in the drivers seat.

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut off [Re: Stewart] #193306 01/15/09 07:48 PM 01/15/09 07:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 549 Bristol, Va fasteddie mopar
fasteddie mopar Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 549 Bristol, Va	Quote: Fasteddie The switch is still hooked to the rod that is out the back of the car. It has to be to be legal. But I can also work it from in the drivers seat. That's cool. Just trying to be helpful. 2003 Bristol Dragway Sportsman Champion 2016 Bristol Dragway Power Hour Champion

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut off [Re: fasteddie] #193307 01/15/09 08:38 PM 01/15/09 08:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 289 So. IL. USA PLUM BAD enthusiast
PLUM BAD enthusiast Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 289 So. IL. USA	I made mine so the switch can be turned off and on from inside the car or behind it. I can't count how many times I got in and forgot to turn on the power. Not any more.

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: smokinwoody] #193308 01/15/09 08:56 PM 01/15/09 08:56 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 807 Toronto, Canada D dirtybee super stock
dirtybee super stock D Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 807 Toronto, Canada	smokinwoody, no offence but i can't see where alot of those wires are going to/ coming from. i would love to see a clear (even drawn with a pencil) diagram of a SIMPLE way to LEGALLY install a 2 prong on/off batt cutoff switch on a car running a mostly stock mopar wiring setup with an orig alternator. i have eliminated the ammeter in favor of the MADELECTRIC voltmeter conversion. can i hook up my switch by simply running a few wires and NO ford solenoid? thats what i want to know. sorry if this is boring or redundant or a hijack but i thought i'd be able to just hook up this overpriced switch and race without a whole rigamaroll?

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut off [Re: PLUM BAD] #193309 01/15/09 09:09 PM 01/15/09 09:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,852 KENTUCKY 69CHARGERMD master
69CHARGERMD master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,852 KENTUCKY	very cool plumbad......

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut off [Re: PLUM BAD] #193310 01/15/09 09:31 PM 01/15/09 09:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 288 Delmont, Pa. S SRT8Challenger enthusiast
SRT8Challenger enthusiast S Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 288 Delmont, Pa.	Hey guys, this is a great idea, I'm going to relocate my Batt to the trunk this spring! I currently have a cut out on the neg side right now with the Batt up front, I think I have worn out my door hinges with going in and out to turn in on!! I always forget, Great idea, two methods to control the power! Thanks! ED

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: dirtybee] #193311 01/15/09 10:33 PM 01/15/09 10:33 PM
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 12,339 somwhere S smokinwoody I Live Here
smokinwoody I Live Here S Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 12,339 somwhere	Quote: smokinwoody, no offence but i can't see where alot of those wires are going to/ coming from. i would love to see a clear (even drawn with a pencil) diagram of a SIMPLE way to LEGALLY install a 2 prong on/off batt cutoff switch on a car running a mostly stock mopar wiring setup with an orig alternator. i have eliminated the ammeter in favor of the MADELECTRIC voltmeter conversion. can i hook up my switch by simply running a few wires and NO ford solenoid? thats what i want to know. sorry if this is boring or redundant or a hijack but i thought i'd be able to just hook up this overpriced switch and race without a whole rigamaroll? none taken...lol...it looks like a mess back there but its realy simple.. its basicaly this.. the alternator goes to the solonoid and then to the battery...when the switch is off,the power is released to the solonoid thus killing the alternator and the switch killing off all positive power from the battery...

Re: Moving Battery to trunk, do you have to have a shut [Re: smokinwoody] #193312 01/15/09 11:01 PM 01/15/09 11:01 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,852 KENTUCKY 69CHARGERMD master
69CHARGERMD master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,852 KENTUCKY	Smokin' good pics.... I need to re-wire the Belvedere,,,,and put in a solenoid,,,and run a wire up to the alternator....to make it right. Question: Where did you get the wiring you have,,,,and how did you know what gauge to use for what .... thanks, Doug ps,,,is the way you have your (+) cable running from battery,,,,,to the kill switch,,,,,and then to the starter how you did it ? ( wont this keep the large,,batt cable running to the front of the car hot ALL the time when teh kill switch is in the on position ? ),,, in the first diagram that Rob posted,,,the batt cable looks to go thru the solenoid,,,,( i suppose in that case, the batt cable would only be hot during starting ,,,and then "dead" while the car is running ?),,, I hope i am making sense,,,, not sure if i am missing something ? On the Madelectric site,,,they also show the large batt cable going thru the solenoid,,, I have to figure out how to wire mine....... Doug Last edited by 69CHARGERMD; 01/15/09 11:20 PM.

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