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Re: Trick Flow heads
[Re: fast68plymouth]
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We were getting intakes printed for ~$5k a pop at work...they were a bit more complex then a TR though...I think pricing is mainly based on area and material used.
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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They didn't print the dyno results for some reason but I think I can post them on here since it is a pdf file. Wow, the Wilson outperformed the tunnel ram?!
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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They didn't print the dyno results for some reason but I think I can post them on here since it is a pdf file. Wow, the Wilson outperformed the tunnel ram?! Not really the best carbs to test with. For a final test, we dug up a Mopar M1 tunnel ram and outfitted it with a pair of 500-cfm Edelbrock carbs. The tunnel ram dropped right in place and the port alignment was excellent with our Trick Flow heads.
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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They didn't print the dyno results for some reason but I think I can post them on here since it is a pdf file. Wow, the Wilson outperformed the tunnel ram?! If the head is the choke point (which it probably is) then it makes sense that the tunnel ram didn't help any. I've thrown a lot of different parts at these heads and basically they make what they make. The most cost effective combo is a solid roller plus the Trick Flow intake and a big 4150 carb. That setup gets you really close to 700 hp without breaking the bank. The tunnel ram might work better depending on the gears and converter but it doesn't make more peak power.
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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11/28/16 07:39 PM
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So, with all this information... What would be a cubic inch limit these heads would feed? Right around the 500" range? Just curious.
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Re: Trick Flow heads
[Re: fast68plymouth]
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11/28/16 07:57 PM
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There's a balance between RPM and CID in any head, the bigger the motor the lower the RPM of the head, it's just an air pump.
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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So, with all this information... What would be a cubic inch limit these heads would feed? Right around the 500" range? Just curious. I think these heads are perfect on a 470 inch shortblock. The peak power hits at 6500 rpm which seems like a good place for a budget engine. The valvetrain should be stable at 6500 rpm with almost any lobe design and you should be able to go down the track with a reasonable gear in the rear end with 6500 rpm peak power. I designed the engine to put a 3200 lb Duster into the high 9's with a 4.56 rear gear. I don't know if I'll put the engine into the Duster or not but it seems to me that it would work just fine. Should go thru the lights at 6700 to 6800 rpm depending on converter slip and it making enough power to pull it at that speed. If you put these heads on a smaller engine you would have to run more gear while a bigger motor would take less gear.
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Re: Trick Flow heads
[Re: fast68plymouth]
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11/29/16 01:42 PM
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I'm going to say that if you took that 470, swapped out the pistons for some domes to get the cr in the 13.5-14:1 range, gas ported, skinny rings, vacuum pump, big cam....... Both the power and the peak rpm would go up.
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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11/29/16 02:29 PM
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So, with all this information... What would be a cubic inch limit these heads would feed? Right around the 500" range? Just curious. I think these heads are perfect on a 470 inch shortblock. The peak power hits at 6500 rpm which seems like a good place for a budget engine. The valvetrain should be stable at 6500 rpm with almost any lobe design and you should be able to go down the track with a reasonable gear in the rear end with 6500 rpm peak power. I designed the engine to put a 3200 lb Duster into the high 9's with a 4.56 rear gear. I don't know if I'll put the engine into the Duster or not but it seems to me that it would work just fine. Should go thru the lights at 6700 to 6800 rpm depending on converter slip and it making enough power to pull it at that speed. If you put these heads on a smaller engine you would have to run more gear while a bigger motor would take less gear. I'll volunteer my car for this test
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Re: Trick Flow heads
[Re: fast68plymouth]
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I don't think some guys realise how fast they could go with these heads. Heck lots of us were running high 9's at 2800-3000 pounds 35 years ago with our JUNK 906 heads. These heads are WAY better than what we were working with and so are today's camshafts.
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Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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You can also look at it from another perspective.....
You can run pretty fast with run of mill heads and cams if you know what to do with them.
As I remember it, there was an article in Car Craft..... 1984 I think ....... Pump gas 440 build done by Steve Bagwell.
6bbl pistons, pocket ported big valve 906's, Holley sd intake, 750 Holley....... Made right about 500hp.
It ended up being put in some pro street-ish Duster and ran 10's.
That was pretty fast for a build like that back then.
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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You can also look at it from another perspective.....
You can run pretty fast with run of mill heads and cams if you know what to do with them.
As I remember it, there was an article in Car Craft..... 1984 I think ....... Pump gas 440 build done by Steve Bagwell.
6bbl pistons, pocket ported big valve 906's, Holley sd intake, 750 Holley....... Made right about 500hp.
It ended up being put in some pro street-ish Duster and ran 10's.
That was pretty fast for a build like that back then. Good memory. It was 1984. I bought that issue at my first job(grocery store)shortly before I bought my first car(71 RR). Back when Car Craft was "Chevy Craft". Mopar articles were very rare at that time. Pretty sure the motor in that article had a 509 in it too. Ran 10.90s in that duster IIRC. One thing I remember is that they claimed blocking the heat crossover with the Fel-pro valley pan gasket was worth 22(!)hp. I may have that issue boxed up somewhere. Sorry to go offtopic.
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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11/30/16 02:11 PM
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So, with all this information... What would be a cubic inch limit these heads would feed? Right around the 500" range? Just curious. I think these heads are perfect on a 470 inch shortblock. The peak power hits at 6500 rpm which seems like a good place for a budget engine. The valvetrain should be stable at 6500 rpm with almost any lobe design and you should be able to go down the track with a reasonable gear in the rear end with 6500 rpm peak power. I designed the engine to put a 3200 lb Duster into the high 9's with a 4.56 rear gear. I don't know if I'll put the engine into the Duster or not but it seems to me that it would work just fine. Should go thru the lights at 6700 to 6800 rpm depending on converter slip and it making enough power to pull it at that speed. If you put these heads on a smaller engine you would have to run more gear while a bigger motor would take less gear. Let's just say you ended up with a 440 block and a 4.25" crank. Will these heads be ineffective with the extra displacement? Is 500" about the most these heads will "feed"? Will a 512 be better off with Indy's?
1969 Dart GTS 340
1969 Super Bee X9 N-96
1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96
2015 Dodge Dart GT
2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn.
Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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So, with all this information... What would be a cubic inch limit these heads would feed? Right around the 500" range? Just curious. I think these heads are perfect on a 470 inch shortblock. The peak power hits at 6500 rpm which seems like a good place for a budget engine. The valvetrain should be stable at 6500 rpm with almost any lobe design and you should be able to go down the track with a reasonable gear in the rear end with 6500 rpm peak power. I designed the engine to put a 3200 lb Duster into the high 9's with a 4.56 rear gear. I don't know if I'll put the engine into the Duster or not but it seems to me that it would work just fine. Should go thru the lights at 6700 to 6800 rpm depending on converter slip and it making enough power to pull it at that speed. If you put these heads on a smaller engine you would have to run more gear while a bigger motor would take less gear. Let's just say you ended up with a 440 block and a 4.25" crank. Will these heads be ineffective with the extra displacement? Is 500" about the most these heads will "feed"? Will a 512 be better off with Indy's? That's what I am going to do with the 512 I'm building. I have my 440-1's flowing over 370 cfm right now but will probably go ahead and jump up to a set of 2.250 valves I have sitting here to see how much more I can get out of them. they are begging for a bigger valve. I have 2 Indy intakes so I will try an 1100 dominator on one and an alcohol toilet on another. I have a ported Indy tunnelram that may get a try too.
1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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11/30/16 05:00 PM
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So, with all this information... What would be a cubic inch limit these heads would feed? Right around the 500" range? Just curious. I think these heads are perfect on a 470 inch shortblock. The peak power hits at 6500 rpm which seems like a good place for a budget engine. The valvetrain should be stable at 6500 rpm with almost any lobe design and you should be able to go down the track with a reasonable gear in the rear end with 6500 rpm peak power. I designed the engine to put a 3200 lb Duster into the high 9's with a 4.56 rear gear. I don't know if I'll put the engine into the Duster or not but it seems to me that it would work just fine. Should go thru the lights at 6700 to 6800 rpm depending on converter slip and it making enough power to pull it at that speed. If you put these heads on a smaller engine you would have to run more gear while a bigger motor would take less gear. Let's just say you ended up with a 440 block and a 4.25" crank. Will these heads be ineffective with the extra displacement? Is 500" about the most these heads will "feed"? Will a 512 be better off with Indy's? It just depends on how much power you are trying to make. The Trick Flow heads should make 700+ hp on a 512 shortblock but the power peak will be at a slightly lower RPM than on a 470 short block if everything else is equal. If that works for you then it is a good combo. If you want to make 900 hp then you need a different set of heads.
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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You can also look at it from another perspective.....
You can run pretty fast with run of mill heads and cams if you know what to do with them.
As I remember it, there was an article in Car Craft..... 1984 I think ....... Pump gas 440 build done by Steve Bagwell.
6bbl pistons, pocket ported big valve 906's, Holley sd intake, 750 Holley....... Made right about 500hp.
It ended up being put in some pro street-ish Duster and ran 10's.
That was pretty fast for a build like that back then. Good memory. It was 1984. I bought that issue at my first job(grocery store)shortly before I bought my first car(71 RR). Back when Car Craft was "Chevy Craft". Mopar articles were very rare at that time. Pretty sure the motor in that article had a 509 in it too. Ran 10.90s in that duster IIRC. One thing I remember is that they claimed blocking the heat crossover with the Fel-pro valley pan gasket was worth 22(!)hp. I may have that issue boxed up somewhere. Sorry to go offtopic. Bill Bagshaw built it through his "Pro Parts" business. The 509 cam HAS BEEN in the 10's in other examples so it's doable. I too don't see 22 hp from blocking off the heat riser but who knows?
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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Bill Bagshaw...... That's right. Thanks.
The TF head is going to be the best bang for the buck for most builds in the 550-700hp range.
Like Andy said, as the displacement goes up, the size of the std port window starts to become a problem if you're trying to build a high rpm package.
It will interesting to see how the new MW version works.
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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What's kinda funny about the whole Trick Flow deal is where are they??? Dyno queens are fine for the magazine articles but are there any cars out there going fast with them yet? I see some bracket cars with them but I haven't seen any respectable numbers out of them yet.
1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27
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Re: Trick Flow heads
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I'm going to say that if you took that 470, swapped out the pistons for some domes to get the cr in the 13.5-14:1 range, gas ported, skinny rings, vacuum pump, big cam....... Both the power and the peak rpm would go up. what about more cube's,(512) moderate compression (12.5), vac pump and a cam just under .700 lift?? 
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