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Re: It's been 2 years since aftermarket Mopar blocks available
[Re: camastomcat]
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I believe if they made a block, at the same price as a Chevy, they would sell every one they make. They don't sell those blocks for less than manufacturing cost, they just don't make much profit on each hoping to sell a lot of blocks. Mopar blocks should cost the same to cast and machine,give or take a little, sell these the same way. Most of us can cough up $2000 easier the $5000 for one, Hec we buy $2000 "heads" and other cheapy things,
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Re: It's been 2 years since aftermarket Mopar blocks available
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10/03/15 01:21 PM
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It's NOT that these companies ignore the Mopar market......in fact it shows they know EXACTLY where the majority of the Mopar market lies. And that is warmed over factory style heads. THAT is what sells and all these companies KNOW that, or they would not be getting into that market.
Mopar guys are quick to think it is some sort of conspiracy or something. Simple fact, if there was decent money to be made, somebody would be making it and they aren't Plane & simple economics. Monte, what would you figure/guess the R&D plus setup would be just to start making an improved B/RB block.
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Re: It's been 2 years since aftermarket Mopar blocks available
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10/03/15 01:29 PM
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I believe if they made a block, at the same price as a Chevy, they would sell every one they make. They don't sell those blocks for less than manufacturing cost, they just don't make much profit on each hoping to sell a lot of blocks. Mopar blocks should cost the same to cast and machine,give or take a little, sell these the same way. Most of us can cough up $2000 easier the $5000 for one, Hec we buy $2000 "heads" and other cheapy things, Chevy parts probably out sell Mopar parts at least 10 to 1. How long would it take a manufacturer to recoup  for the cost of the R&D, setup & manufacturing of new B/RB blocks? If they see little to no return on a product they're not going to make it, this is true with any product.
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Re: It's been 2 years since aftermarket Mopar blocks available
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10/03/15 02:48 PM
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Some of you are correct. It takes EXACTLY the same amount of money to engineer and produce a Chevy and a Mopar block. That is NOT the problem. The issue is end sales volumes. Chevy blocks will outsell Mopar blocks 100-1. To think they should cost the consumer the same is crazy. Its called return on investment.
bubby, I have no idea on cost to get a block from the ground to production. Probably SEVERAL hundred thousand.......maybe a million in todays money.
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Re: It's been 2 years since aftermarket Mopar blocks available
[Re: camastomcat]
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10/03/15 03:35 PM
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Most places have ROI of 3 years,like my employer has. If they are not sure they can accomplish that, they simply don't make that product line. I don't see the performance automotive industry being any different. 
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Re: It's been 2 years since aftermarket Mopar blocks available
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10/03/15 04:05 PM
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Someone needs to buy Keith Black, or Indy. It would be cheeper. There is nothing wrong with INDY. They make a good block and they are not hard to get. Some people don't like Russ, rumors get started and the haters pile on. Likely 75% of the people who proclaim "INDY sucks" have probably never even dealt with them. They just read it on the internet so it MUST be true. I personally have NEVER had a problem with INDY, their parts, nor Russ.......so whats that mean? Not a damn thing, about the same value as what all the haters say. Pretty simple, guys want an alum Mopar block, there is one you can get quick and another takes a year. Guys don't like either of those options, they can do without.
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Re: It's been 2 years since aftermarket Mopar blocks available
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10/03/15 05:40 PM
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Chevy sells 10-100 to 1, what if they where the same cost, think that number would get closer? Then the buyer has a choice, and don't think Chevy guys aren't cheap either, they bought Chevy stuff didn't they. It's all marketing anyway, they only want to stock one brand not three, too much money tied up in inventory. You want to pay twice for something they'll order it then gladly sell it to you.
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Re: It's been 2 years since aftermarket Mopar blocks available
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10/03/15 07:41 PM
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But there are 100 chevy blocks already there to compete with so it is mind blowing really that they keep coming out with more competetion.
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Re: It's been 2 years since aftermarket Mopar blocks available
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10/03/15 10:29 PM
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Someone needs to buy Keith Black, or Indy. It would be cheeper. Or Ken needs to get better with deliveries. Other than that what is wrong with a KB block? Speculation, but when I hear about missed schedules that keep slipping I think of a company with inadequate cash flow and pissed off vendors. Aren't the sleeves supposed to be a tight item?
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Re: It's been 2 years since aftermarket Mopar blocks available
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Someone needs to buy Keith Black, or Indy. It would be cheeper. There is nothing wrong with INDY. They make a good block and they are not hard to get. Some people don't like Russ, rumors get started and the haters pile on. Likely 75% of the people who proclaim "INDY sucks" have probably never even dealt with them. They just read it on the internet so it MUST be true. I personally have NEVER had a problem with INDY, their parts, nor Russ.......so whats that mean? Not a damn thing, about the same value as what all the haters say. Pretty simple, guys want an alum Mopar block, there is one you can get quick and another takes a year. Guys don't like either of those options, they can do without. Then I HAVE to ask you, did you ever buy anything from Russ at Indy? Cause if you did, then you would know what everyone says is TRUE! And I do use their products, usually good parts, but I will no longer buy direct.
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Re: It's been 2 years since aftermarket Mopar blocks available
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10/04/15 01:08 AM
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Maybe Russ treats people with *ahem* clout or associations with companies *ahem* a little better than the common man.
I know any face to face dealings I have had made me feel like I was completely wasting his time because I couldn't and wouldn't spend $ 30,000. I asked a well known vendor here if he was treated any different by Indy than us little guys. He chuckled and said simply "Nope!"
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Re: It's been 2 years since aftermarket Mopar blocks available
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Maybe Russ treats people with *ahem* clout or associations with companies *ahem* a little better than the common man.
I know any face to face dealings I have had made me feel like I was completely wasting his time because I couldn't and wouldn't spend $ 30,000. I asked a well known vendor here if he was treated any different by Indy than us little guys. He chuckled and said simply "Nope!" Well, I suppose he is at least consistent!
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