Ever hear of counterfeit parts? They exist.

If a balljoint comes apart after a short life send it back to MOOG and see what they say.

It's easy to bash MOOG or any other company. It's disappointing to see people with absolutely no knowledge of the actual situation to say "China". Ignorant. Typed on your Chinese keyboard and connected to the Internet by your Chinese computer or Chinese cellphone. They all seem to work okay.

SO LOOK AT THE BOX BEFORE YOU INSTALL THE PART! Is that so hard? I did when I replaced the pickup coil on my 318 distributor. I bought the "T" version of the part number. Made in China, I saw that on the box. After a little more digging I found that the non "T" part number was made in USA. At that point I could have stopped and bought the USA part, but I took the risk. MY CHOICE.

R.

Many manufactures carry more than two seperate lines of product. A higher price point they will sell to jobber garages, and a lower price point they sell retail to complete with retail-based stores. Sometimes you have to ask for "the good ones" AT A PARTS STORE rather than look online for the cheapest place and have them shipped. I only buy Moog from Car QUest, or NAPA's jobber type parts. If you don;t ask for them the parts guys will assume you've been price shopping and give you the cheap crap that competes with the online and retail based parts places.

And break and fall apart like all the other china junk.

Mood problem Solvers # K-781 & K-783 = the "Top Shelf" of the Moog product line. That's why I selected them. I didn't know that Moog's quality had long since fallen to bottom drawer.

The problem is with the company not wanting to insure good quality control, skimping on a fully staffed and competent quality control/ inspection department, maintenance department, supervisors etc... They would rather spend money on advertising and sticking their name on race cars . I'm sure the line level workers don't want to loose there job in china just as much as you don't want to lose your job here.

Damn, I just did mine last month, all seemed OK and they were made in the USA, but I know I will be checking them routinely now after seeing this.

Don`t want anyone to lose their job but they are doing the jobs we use to have.

" Corporate greed has done us in finally."

Uhhh... this is a cheesy cop out I often hear from some people that vote a certain way. Waaaay to easy to play class warfare when you don't know the whole story.

Sometimes, not always, a large corporation moves their operations elsewhere when THIS countries elected officials impose too many regulations, restrictions, demands, conditions, etc. If you want to remain profitable, as a business, you often do what it takes to survive and remain competitive.
Once a major player outsources their manufacturing, it becomes even more difficult for their competitors to continue building stuff here.
I would LOVE to see more American made stuff. The middle class has suffered from the loss of American manufacturing, but blame for that can be found in many places.

Sing it franken...i agree 100 percent...

A cheesy way to try and pull politics into it.

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I was having hassles finding ones for my Fury and ended up going with Rare Parts - find the part number and do a search, amazon usually has them at a good price

http://rareparts.com/quality/pasttests.php

the test at the bottom (c-body BJ) looks dodgy just from the pic - its obviously a very second hand BJ that they are testing / comparing to.

I havent had them on the road yet, but apparently they are good according to other ppl running them. From visual inspection, they have beefed them up vs a regular one in a couple of places.

They are made in china, I emailed and asked

Politics aside - every country is facing the waking giant of china's rapidly evolving manufacturing capabilities. Here in OZ we no longer make anything of consequence, to the point that the gov will help long term unemployed pple get training in service type jobs, but not production skills - unless you count computer game programming

Live it up guys and shred that rubber while its still possible - the world as we know it is rapidly heading down the gurgler one way or another

Can't fix the problem if you can;t admit what the cause is.

Sorry to hijack, John.
I am not specifically picking on a particular party, I just get annoyed to see people immediately blame a big corporation for being "greedy" by outsourcing. I am fully aware that there are instances when a company could still be profitable while remaining in the USA, yet they choose to follow the $$$ at the expense of the American middle class. I get it. I purposely phrased my post in a manner to enlighten some that another possible explanation exists.
The best way to see how a business owner is mistreated by the government is to become a business owner.



Regarding MOOG and their products, I hope that this is an isolated incident. TRW and MOOG have been the industry standard for many years. I have rebuilt several Mopar suspensions with MOOG parts with zero failures to date. All manufacturing has some level of defective product. you'd think that there would be some sort of inspection process before the parts are boxed up, right?
In construction, I work with a variety of power tools, we also order large counts of brackets, hangers and hardware. Sometimes we get bolts that somehow came through UNthreaded, some that have damaged threads, brackets where the nail holes are not punched all the way through, etc. Sometimes the nail strips for our nail guns are somehow a few degrees off from spec and they jam the gun. I recall in the 80s there was a rash of counterfeit AC/Delco parts including phony ATF that turned out to be Mineral oil with red dye in it. The products were actually purchased from a GM dealer, so the switcheroo happened somewhere between the factory and the dealer, maybe in a storage warehouse?
The same could happen with anything. Pharmaceuticals, food, tools, car parts, hair gel and hairspray.....

Always a pleasure to hear from you Frankenduster. On a positive note and trying to leave politics aside, I received a set of nice looking XRF ball joints, part # K781/$43.99 & K783/$43.99, from a bunch of unarmed Canadians via a well-armed US Distributor in Plano Texas.

I did find that they are not the ball joint company of choice if you own a Ram pick up though, however to be fair, they have recently come out with a very heavy duty upper ball joint for it. The jury still seems to be out on that part though.

I'll provide a more in-depth review of their quality when I fit them and drive with them for a bit.

Those Canadians are a nice bunch of folks, eh ??

Besides counterfeit parts, there's also folks who will buy the good stuff and the garbage stuff. Then install the good parts, put the junk in the good boxes and return the "good" parts
Happens a lot in the repair industry.
The fix of course is to have the people accepting the returns give everything a good look over before crediting the purchaser. But that means training and extra cost which drives up prices.
Too many people shop on price alone.

A few years back I had like three 2500 4x4 pickups come in that you had to keep correcting the steering wheel as you drove along..... they had all had Moog ball joints installed recently at other shops. Installed the Mopar joints and the trucks drove straight and true. Bet my bottom dollar those Mopar joints are made in china too. Either way, that was my eye opener for Moog as I always had considered them to be a "good" go-to part when doing front end work.

I put new Moog ball joints on my 99 ram 2500 less than a year ago, been feeling something that wasn't right so yesterday at work I pulled it in and changed the oil and decided to check the front end and I'm pissed! Those new Moog ball joints all need replaced. I can move the ball joints by have over a 1/4 inch. Sad. Why can't these people that made this stuff be held accountable for this junk they sell? I have maybe 6k on them and I never take my truck off road. I always avoid pot holes. I also grease the front end every time I change the oil which is at least 4 times each year or 2 thousand miles or less.

There seems to be a known issue with late model Dodge Ram trucks and ball joints. There is a company called Carli Suspension that makes ultra heavy duty replacement ball joints that addresses the problem. Here's their link-

http://www.carlisuspension.com/dodge-ram/ball-joints/index.html