Re: Setting valve lash at base circle with EOIC, weird result??
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Yes, I had the same results at FULL lift on each but some said maybe shaft deflection however I`m not convinced since I got .004 difference on every single one...........
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Re: Setting valve lash at base circle with EOIC, weird result??
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Good luck and enjoy.............
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Re: Setting valve lash at base circle with EOIC, weird result??
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I have shaft rockers and have the same thing, at TDC the valve lash is about .004" more lash compared to setting them at EOIC method. So I always set them on the EIOC method and never had any issues.
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Re: Setting valve lash at base circle with EOIC, weird result??
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Flimsy valvetrain and a small cam shaft core,it is what it is. Just put another hot dog on the barbecue ,crack a beer , and turn up the radio.
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Re: Setting valve lash at base circle with EOIC, weird result??
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I don't know I have a billet cam, MRL solid lifters, Manton pushrods and T&D shaft rockers. I don't think that is the issue but I could be wrong...
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Re: Setting valve lash at base circle with EOIC, weird result??
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Flimsy valvetrain and a small cam shaft core,it is what it is. Just put another hot dog on the barbecue ,crack a beer , and turn up the radio. Stock size parts plus huge springs and radical cam lobes equal problems. It helps in my opinion to set the lash where you see the most clearance just to take some impact loads off the parts when the lifter first contacts the opening ramp.
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Re: Setting valve lash at base circle with EOIC, weird result??
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my dad and just set the lash on a new motor today. We moved the exhaust valve to max lift and it did loosen the lash on the intake a small amount, I didn't mess with measuring it but it made the feeler gauge go in and out easier. We ran it EOIC because that is what the man who spec'd the cam recommended.
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Re: Setting valve lash at base circle with EOIC, weird result??
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08/09/15 04:09 AM
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I never saw the logic of setting one valve according to what another valve is doing, but, whatever.
People that still use the EOIC method must like barring/bumping the motor over about 20 times to set valves when it can easily be done doing it in about 5-6 rotations.
I bring the #1 intake to fully open, then rotate the crank 1 turn, which leaves the #1 intake solidly on it's base circle. Set #1 intake. Rotate crank 90* - Set #8 intake. Rotate crank 90* - set #4 intake. Follow this pattern through firing order to set all intakes. Now bring #1 exhaust to fully open, then rotate crank 1 turn, which leaves the #1 exhaust solidly on it's base circle. Set #1 exhaust. Rotate crank 90* - set #8 exhaust. Again, follow pattern through firing order to set all the exhaust valves.
This works with EVERY canshaft, no matter lift, duration, lobe separation, or firing order, and sets the lash off of its cam lobe and not another one.
Pretty simple, HUH?
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Re: Setting valve lash at base circle with EOIC, weird result??
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08/09/15 02:18 PM
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I bet that would work awesome on an engine stand.
You are assuming that somebody could get to the crank bolt to turn it 90°? Hahaha
Not in my rig. We're hot-rodders. We do what we need to do to make it work. Ya, it can get pretty tight up front if you are running a blower, etc. I made an adaptor because my crank bolt isn't accessible. Still a pain. End up using a remote start switch and just get as close as I can bumping it over.
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Re: Setting valve lash at base circle with EOIC, weird result??
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You are assuming that somebody could get to the crank bolt to turn it 90°? Hahaha
Not ASSUMING anything - I KNOW that you have to have a method to turn the crank no matter what method you use.
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Re: Setting valve lash at base circle with EOIC, weird result??
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Isn't the hotrod world awesome? We all get to pick our own way of making things work for ourselves without anybody else being condecending about it or feeling THEIR way is the only way and that everybody else is doing it wrong. Well, one thing is for sure, doing it in 110 degree is wrong - no matter how you do it. Been to the pavilions lately Dwayne?
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Re: Setting valve lash at base circle with EOIC, weird result??
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Isn't the hotrod world awesome? We all get to pick our own way of making things work for ourselves without anybody else being condecending about it or feeling THEIR way is the only way and that everybody else is doing it wrong. Well, one thing is for sure, doing it in 110 degree is wrong - no matter how you do it. Been to the pavilions lately Dwayne? Hahaha... yeah, it's a bit warm out! The sweat running into my eyes takes some of the fun out of adjusting my valves. LOL The pavilions aren't much fun anymore. They run everybdy out of the parking lot about the time it might even begin to start cooling off. I don't know how some of those guys do it. They show up at noon, pull out their lawn chairs and bake. NO THANKS! I'm not setting foot on the place until it gets dark.
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