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Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE [Re: PorkyPig] #1934422
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This is why I build my own motors. I only have myself to blame when things go south.

Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE [Re: ccdave] #1934423
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Originally Posted By ccdave
This is why I build my own motors. I only have myself to blame when things go south.



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Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE [Re: steve660] #1934437
10/18/15 07:42 PM
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Someone we all know and love, but whose permission I don't have to identify him, had MM build a mild stroker B short block decades ago.
In assembling the engine, it won't turn over.

The rods hit the block...

During the last stages of MM's work not one person tried to rotate the engine. Does that tell you something?

All the previous post were correct - every shop has a bad day, myself included.
Now, explain this one?


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Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE [Re: polyspheric] #1934453
10/18/15 08:08 PM
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I don't buy this story.
How do you assemble an engine and not rotate it?

Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE [Re: B5 Bee] #1934463
10/18/15 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted By B5 Bee
I don't buy this story.
How do you assemble an engine and not rotate it?


Definitely not BGR but my last mill came to me that way. The rod exited on the fifth pass. I thought it was tight but I figured he does this for a living....silly me.


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Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE [Re: steve660] #1934999
10/19/15 04:18 PM
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I don't buy this story.

Sorry, should have been more clear. IIRC he got the assembled short block, and in the process of buttoning it up he discovered it won't make a full turn.


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Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE [Re: steve660] #1935376
10/20/15 02:11 AM
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Do you not have to rotate the motor over to actually gets the rods and pistons in it. Story seems a little fishy

Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE [Re: steve660] #1935377
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Of course, you're too clever for me, I made the whole thing up.

Let me unravel this: you don't understand how it happened, therefore I'm lying?


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Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE [Re: steve660] #1935402
10/20/15 03:43 AM
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I just asked how you put 8 rod and piston assemblies in a motor and not turn it over..........And I didn't say you were doing a DAMN thing, just said it sounded fishy

Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE [Re: steve660] #1935443
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The only way I could see an engine not turning over would be if one or both of the last pair of rods installed not having enough clearance with the block. Even then it would rotate some.

Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE [Re: justinp61] #1935448
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If I am reading this right, MM did all the prep work but failed to mock up the engine, Poly received it as a kit and it wouldn't go together.

Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE [Re: polyspheric] #1935544
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Originally Posted By polyspheric
I don't buy this story.

Sorry, should have been more clear. IIRC he got the assembled short block, and in the process of buttoning it up he discovered it won't make a full turn.
Seems the shortblock was assembled............but you never know for sure with some of his posts, as he seems to just want to send out clever remarks and cryptic comments at times instead of real information.

Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE [Re: Monte_Smith] #1935568
10/20/15 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted By Monte_Smith
I just asked how you put 8 rod and piston assemblies in a motor and not turn it over...

Still a legit question to ask, since I don't know how either.

Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE [Re: steve660] #1935605
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I bought a stroker kit years ago that could not be assembled. The tops of the rods hit the bottom of the pistom domes before the pins could be installed. This was back in the days when stroker cranks were made by welding up and turning down a factory forging. So yeah, stuff like that can happen.

Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE [Re: steve660] #1935715
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On my Gen III I got all the way to put #7 and #8 in when I found out the block needed clearancing under the #8 hole to clear the #7 rod cap. Had to go all the way back apart, make the clearance, then get it re-hot tanked and re-painted. Small price to pay for an education.


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Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE [Re: DusterDave] #1935720
10/20/15 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted By DusterDave
If I were steve660, I'd bring this public discussion to a close, and deal with MM on a one to one basis. There's nothing more to be gained by playing out this saga publicly.


Sure there is , the MOPARTS DOGPILE gets to continue ...


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Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE [Re: JohnRR] #1935756
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Originally Posted By JohnRR
Originally Posted By DusterDave
If I were steve660, I'd bring this public discussion to a close, and deal with MM on a one to one basis. There's nothing more to be gained by playing out this saga publicly.


Sure there is , the MOPARTS DOGPILE gets to continue ...


I'd like to see it stay open and regular updates on the progress. I have a nice size down payment at MM on a pump gas hemi that should be done early next year. Hopefully my experience is better than the OPs.

Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE [Re: DusterDave] #1935765
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Originally Posted By DusterDave
If I were steve660, I'd bring this public discussion to a close, and deal with MM on a one to one basis. There's nothing more to be gained by playing out this saga publicly.
if he hadn't started this post he would probably be still dealing with a motor he can't use. so hopefully it will inspire them to get done. if one on one would accomplish anything we probably wouldn't be seeing this at all....

Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE [Re: JohnRR] #1935767
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Originally Posted By JohnRR
Originally Posted By DusterDave
If I were steve660, I'd bring this public discussion to a close, and deal with MM on a one to one basis. There's nothing more to be gained by playing out this saga publicly.


Sure there is , the MOPARTS DOGPILE gets to continue ...


This saga is my only documentation for MM to do what they said they would do.

And for the record....

I AM, and HAVE been dealing with MM, on a one on one basis, SINCE EARLY JULY!!

This build started April 2014...2014!!!

This isn't YOUR engine, nor YOUR money were talking about. Its not Your time and energy put in trying to get YOUR car set up with new engine.

Only to have to tear it back apart again, crate it, drop it off at trucking company and wait....then have to listen to excuse after excuse why its not done.


Whenever I do get it back I will post on here letting everybody know.

Then...I get to start putting it back together again.


PSO headed 632 from MM. Cracked cylinder, loose valve seats, low oil pressure, low cylinder pressure.
..... Now its a door stop....
Re: MUSCLE MOTORS 30 MIN ENGINE [Re: gsmopar] #1935808
10/20/15 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted By gsmopar
Originally Posted By JohnRR
Originally Posted By DusterDave
If I were steve660, I'd bring this public discussion to a close, and deal with MM on a one to one basis. There's nothing more to be gained by playing out this saga publicly.


Sure there is , the MOPARTS DOGPILE gets to continue ...


I'd like to see it stay open and regular updates on the progress. I have a nice size down payment at MM on a pump gas hemi that should be done early next year. Hopefully my experience is better than the OPs.


Hey gsmopar,

When did they start your build and what kind of a time line did they give you and is it on track to be completed on time?


PSO headed 632 from MM. Cracked cylinder, loose valve seats, low oil pressure, low cylinder pressure.
..... Now its a door stop....
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