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Re: total seal rings file fit or gapless top [Re: PorkyPig] #1850681
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Called Mahle today. They claim they have a standard 3mm low drag oil ring. Call total seal to see if they had low drag standard oil ring and they just about laughed at me. Said all standard 3mm oil rings have same drag at about 13lbs. Maybe I should have started this thread asking which rings are best for my application in a .043/.043 3mm file fit?

Re: total seal rings file fit or gapless top [Re: mopar dave] #1850697
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Dave.....
The little engine masters 318 motor I bought has 043 ring pack.
The builder " crimped" the oil ring, has 8 pounds of drag. Not sure exactly how that's done, it seated good and the motor runs great.


69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
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Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
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Re: total seal rings file fit or gapless top [Re: mopar dave] #1850718
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Did you buy that engine from mike in chessening? Standard oil ring? No smoke?

Re: total seal rings file fit or gapless top [Re: mopar dave] #1850735
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No. Adney Brown, owner of Performance Crankshaft in Detroit, who built it.
No smoke.
Think the engine build article said the oil ring was low tension to begin with , then the expander was crimped.

You can google the build article, it's interesting reading about building an engine in general.

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69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: total seal rings file fit or gapless top [Re: mopar dave] #1850745
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Dwayne welder has my heads and is a friend of Adney. I'll asked dwayne and see what he knows. Thanks

Re: total seal rings file fit or gapless top [Re: mopar dave] #1850766
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Originally Posted By mopar dave
Called Mahle today. They claim they have a standard 3mm low drag oil ring. Call total seal to see if they had low drag standard oil ring and they just about laughed at me. Said all standard 3mm oil rings have same drag at about 13lbs. Maybe I should have started this thread asking which rings are best for my application in a .043/.043 3mm file fit?
The reason for the "laugh" as you call it, is because Mahle told you something, or at least the way you phrased it, that is impossible. No such thing as a standard tension "low drag" oil ring. The drag is based on tension and standard tension, is standard tension. Plus ALL the scrapers are the same, so tension is varied only by the expander, which never touches the cylinder wall..........Now Mahle MAY have meant that they have a standard(meaning shelf) "set" which includes a "low drag" oil ring, which would make sense, but that's not what you said here or apparently to Total Seal

If you WANT a low tension oil package, they can definitely make you one.....just tell them what you want for pounds and they will make it happen. The way this is done is by varying the size of expander. The MORE expander you cram in the groove, the MORE tension and vice versa. So lets say your bore size is 4.060 and they send you an expander for a 4.00 bore set, you have less tension. They KNOW all this and can give you exactly what you ask for. Too many people worry about "shelf" sets and settle for what they can get, when all you have to do is tell them what you WANT.

"Crimping" an expander, simply means you take some pliers and squeeze a few sections of expander tighter, so that it can't expand as much. HOW MUCH and HOW MANY.....only VERY experienced builders who have done it before can answer that. The ONLY reason you do that, is to make the oil ring expander you HAVE into a lower tension one, in lieu of just ordering what you need

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Re: total seal rings file fit or gapless top [Re: Monte_Smith] #1850799
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That's what I figured. And yes mahle did tell me they had a standard tension "low drag" oil ring. I was under the impression that total seal rings were the best. Sounds like some others are just as good. I told total seal what I was doing and he gave a crh0010-45, which is a standard tension file fit with moly top ring.

Re: total seal rings file fit or gapless top [Re: mopar dave] #1850920
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Personally I run nothing but Total Seal brand rings or Ackerly & Childs in high performance motors

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