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Re: Pinion angle again [Re: Monte_Smith] #1823983
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Originally Posted By Monte_Smith
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The Russians have their road rage videos - we have our pinion angle chat group sessions. One is alcohol fueled arguments showcasing poor reasoning and judgment, the other is about car crashes.
I don't drink, nor have poor reasoning, so I assume you are referring to yourself. That's OK, you will catch on one of these days. Hang in there.

Monte


If you can't grasp the logic behind my arguments, maybe you should start using a mask or filter around the NOS. Quit sniffing the giggle spray and you might catch on.

All jokes aside. Your way works for you. Use it. I feel very comfortable doing it my way, as it has worked well for me. I don't fix what isn't broke - including driveline parts.

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we were talking about RACE CARS and about setting pinion angle, not about making your mush mobile ride down the road smooth as glass and the joints last 100k miles.

then how in the heck did we get on Jeeps and 4 wheel drives? Monte it's all in fun don't get excited laugh2 laugh2

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Originally Posted By Monte_Smith
And HERE it is after pages of meaningless back and forth.........is it IDEAL.....NO......does it work just fine.......YES. So bottom line, in a car with the motor mounted in the stock location, should you be overly concerned about it being "perfect"........NO, because it is simply NOT going to be. Set it within a workable angle at the rear, the front is what it is and go RACE the car.

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I find it funny how you guys talk about you need it parrell for strength, and Monte has the most powerful car here set up "wrong" and doesn't have problems.


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Originally Posted By 1967dartgt
I find it funny how you guys talk about you need it parrell for strength, and Monte has the most powerful car here set up "wrong" and doesn't have problems.
is it more powerful than the cars Rossler provides trannies for?

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Originally Posted By Quicktree
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I find it funny how you guys talk about you need it parrell for strength, and Monte has the most powerful car here set up "wrong" and doesn't have problems.
is it more powerful than the cars Rossler provides trannies for?


It has a Rossler in it I believe, so yes it is. What's a 4.19@178 in the eighth? That should be in the area of 2400hp.

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Re: Pinion angle again [Re: Monte_Smith] #1824179
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Now it all makes sense.........sit back Monte, smoke a fattie and chug a beer or three THEN you might be less tense plus you'll stop posting that this is your last post.....lmao.......


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Originally Posted By STEFF
Originally Posted By Monte_Smith
And HERE it is after pages of meaningless back and forth.........is it IDEAL.....NO......does it work just fine.......YES. So bottom line, in a car with the motor mounted in the stock location, should you be overly concerned about it being "perfect"........NO, because it is simply NOT going to be. Set it within a workable angle at the rear, the front is what it is and go RACE the car.

Monte


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Yes,but think off all the lessons in science,physics,math as well as theory and conjecture we would have missed.Thanks all for the entertainment we seen along the way.Some have been totally confused with all the astonishing utterences of information,then some have been able to learn a little.My only suggestion is always use the KISS method and leave all the scientific stuff to those smarter than us. up bow

Re: Pinion angle again [Re: 1967dartgt] #1824337
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Originally Posted By 1967dartgt
I find it funny how you guys talk about you need it parrell for strength, and Monte has the most powerful car here set up "wrong" and doesn't have problems.



I find it funny that, thats all you Got from all of this. And Your even Wrong about that.

He set his up for parallel Too, or at least as close to parallel as you can get while under power. That would be Correct.


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Originally Posted By 1967dartgt
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I find it funny how you guys talk about you need it parrell for strength, and Monte has the most powerful car here set up "wrong" and doesn't have problems.
is it more powerful than the cars Rossler provides trannies for?


It has a Rossler in it I believe, so yes it is. What's a 4.19@178 in the eighth? That should be in the area of 2400hp.
it is definitely bad ass i have seen it in person. but rossler has cars that go 250mph in the 1/8 also

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Originally Posted By Thumperdart
Now it all makes sense.........sit back Monte, smoke a fattie and chug a beer or three THEN you might be less tense plus you'll stop posting that this is your last post.....lmao.......


Yeah, taking your ball and going home doesn't work if you have a football - and everybody else wants to play baseball boogie


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Originally Posted By Monte_Smith
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NOT gonna happen Sport.........but tell you what IS gonna happen. Is that I am done with this thread and that I will continue doing it the way I have for 35+ years with good results.


And who was saying anything about production cars.........we were talking about RACE CARS and about setting pinion angle, not about making your mush mobile ride down the road smooth as glass and the joints last 100k miles.


Monte


Ok, I thought we Had you, LOL

Mush mobiles, no,no. My Race Car is a 73 Production car, but with a BB 600hp where a SB was mounted 1" higher. A newer rear from a late 70,s car that had the softer cushion mounts on the springs, that were ditched.

Ive got two different planes, No way in ell im just setting it up so the pinion points at the rear of the tranny while under power.

No way in ell, im just slapping a protractor on the pinion and setting it x amount of degrees that I might read from some book. That would be a BLIND Guess of a Whatever Pinion A.


Im not Setting anything unless I know where the front u-joint is at compared to the back.

Just Trying to put out good Correct info here for all of the production based Race cars that have been modified by all of the hobbiest racers out there.


I will lighten up on you in the future, as you have no desire to understand pinion angle on different planes. I will Always jump in on a pinion angle debate as you stated. Thumbs up. But You and Bob G aren't far behind either. LOL

You Stated something like That Sport Fury and Tony guy are the First ones to Jump in these pinion debates. That's Sport 440, by the way. Your Sport Fury was probably intended though, as a Angry implication??? Or maybe Madman. LOL, Either way I like it.

Ill be in the next pinion debate as well. You Carry on as well. Good luck this season.

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Originally Posted By Sport440
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I find it funny how you guys talk about you need it parrell for strength, and Monte has the most powerful car here set up "wrong" and doesn't have problems.



I find it funny that, thats all you Got from all of this. And Your even Wrong about that.

He set his up for parallel Too, or at least as close to parallel as you can get while under power. That would be Correct.



Do you know what's even funnier sport fury, he has stated he doesn't check the front angle. I got a lot more then that from this dribble, one you don't even have a fast car and want to instruct people on how to build one. Lol now that's funny.


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Originally Posted By Quicktree
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I find it funny how you guys talk about you need it parrell for strength, and Monte has the most powerful car here set up "wrong" and doesn't have problems.
is it more powerful than the cars Rossler provides trannies for?


It has a Rossler in it I believe, so yes it is. What's a 4.19@178 in the eighth? That should be in the area of 2400hp.
it is definitely bad ass i have seen it in person. but rossler has cars that go 250mph in the 1/8 also


I said on this board. Duh! Momma said you can't fix stupid.


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It has a Rossler in it I believe, so yes it is. What's a 4.19@178 in the eighth? That should be in the area of 2400hp. [/quote]it is definitely bad ass i have seen it in person. but rossler has cars that go 250mph in the 1/8 also [/quote]

I said on this board. Duh! Momma said you can't fix stupid. [/quote]

absolutely, you just proved it

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Originally Posted By Sport440
Originally Posted By 1967dartgt
I find it funny how you guys talk about you need it parrell for strength, and Monte has the most powerful car here set up "wrong" and doesn't have problems.



I find it funny that, thats all you Got from all of this. And Your even Wrong about that.

He set his up for parallel Too, or at least as close to parallel as you can get while under power. That would be Correct.



I guess the pics of the Jeep drive line are as close to
parallel as they could get.. and damn.. the factory did that
so maybe parallel isnt the only way like you suggest
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And all those monster trucks better learn also.. being
that they are specially build
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Did you ever get a measurement from your Pinion to your driveshaft , Like I asked??

We have your other measurements, from the axels un welded position of 11* down. I wanted to see what the pinion driveshaft angle came in at. Come on this Was your thread. But, If you don't respond, well you see what happens. Maybe those were your intentions.

I haven't found your other thread yet. Measurements Please!!!

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Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
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Originally Posted By 1967dartgt
I find it funny how you guys talk about you need it parrell for strength, and Monte has the most powerful car here set up "wrong" and doesn't have problems.



I find it funny that, thats all you Got from all of this. And Your even Wrong about that.

He set his up for parallel Too, or at least as close to parallel as you can get while under power. That would be Correct.



I guess the pics of the Jeep drive line are as close to
parallel as they could get.. and damn.. the factory did that
so maybe parallel isnt the only way like you suggest
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That old Jeep has a Slip joint that band aids that. Its also Not a race vehicle.

Mike, You do Parallel, Right. You Stated you build the driveline Straight. Add pinion angle from there.

So hopefully its darn near parallel under power, right!!

So from there you can measure directly between the driveshaft and Pinion since everything is straight.

So under Power, I shoot for parallel, so do you, and monte, and so should everyone else,

Shooting for Parallel is Easy on a Straight Single plane. driveline.

Shooting for Parallel isn't as Easy to understand on a Dual Plane driveline for most I take it. Hence the Pinion Angle confusion argument.

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Yes I do on stuff I build... on a production car I use
the drive shaft to the pinion
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And years ago when this came up.. I went to talk with the
people in the suspension lab at work on how they do it...
they use the drive shaft to the pinion
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