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Re: Updates for 2006
[Re: 9 Sec Phill]
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12/24/05 11:08 PM
12/24/05 11:08 PM
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southern Maryland
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Will there be a Muscle Street class or a class like it at The Virgina motor sports Mopar madness race this year? I think its given by the Tidewater Mopar club,KOS was ther a few years back....
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Re: Updates for 2006
[Re: keefe]
#18202
12/27/05 09:42 AM
12/27/05 09:42 AM
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Seaford Delaware
JSR1485
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super stock
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Seaford Delaware
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You can count me in for Raceway Park and I might make the Rock also. What about one more in the North East? There is the Mopar show at Atco in Sept. I heard is going down hill any how, maybe this will help bring it back alittle.
Switched to the dark side...
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Re: Updates for 2006
[Re: Greg]
#18205
01/05/06 11:50 PM
01/05/06 11:50 PM
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Northeast, Alpine, NY
9 Sec Phill
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On a road near you
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A race in the Northeast would be great, dont know any info on tracks so I cant help you there. A 12 hour drive is ok but more than that its killer on the pocket, I hope you can get a track up here to help you out, tried to join membership but had problems, can I call it in? Thanks ....Phill
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Re: Heads Up Races for 2006
[Re: junkyardmaxie]
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01/25/06 12:30 PM
01/25/06 12:30 PM
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Indianapolis, IN
PROMAX
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Indianapolis, IN
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We have been getting a lot of questions on the Rockingham Race about the dates. We have been told that Friday the 14th will be a test and tune day. If you have problem with the member form then just send me an email at: sales@promaxcarbs.com and I will help you get setup. Also added a few more contingency sponosrs here is our current list: $100 Winner - $50 Runner Up (Each Class) ProMax - Max Series Carbs CFM - Ported Heads Harland Sharp - Rocker Arms TTI - Headers A&A Transmission - Trans Nitrous ProFlow - nitrous systems Cal Tracs - Traction Bars Thanks Ben J. Gorman
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Re: Updates for 2006
[Re: PROMAX]
#18208
02/13/06 08:20 PM
02/13/06 08:20 PM
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Northeast, Alpine, NY
9 Sec Phill
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On a road near you
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We now have the rules updated. Everyone should be able to come out and run. If you have any problems bringing up the rules let me know.
Can not get them to come up, keep getting error, could you e mail me the rules , you have a Pm
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Re: Heads Up Races for 2006
[Re: 440Jim]
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03/18/06 01:14 PM
03/18/06 01:14 PM
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Portage,michigan
B3422W5
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no Indy -1 heads in Muscle Street??
I think this is a mistake. Since the Indy SR and -1 head are the same base casting (some core diff?), you can't tell which the guy has (tech) unless you take the valve covers off. And even then, with porting (fill the pushrod holes, etc.), you can make an SR into a 440-1 with the offset rocker gear. So I think these should be treated the same.
In Muscle Street, the small block W5, etc should simply be outlawed at any weight. There is nothing stock replacement about them.
And I think all weight penalties should be so severe, that the car would run 11.0. You want to let them run, but you don't want to encourage there use by making them the only way to win. IMO, 50 and 100 lb weight penalties are a joke. It should be 200, 300, 400 etc. so they are running 4000+ lb total.
While I am giving my 2-cents:
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Stock front suspension required, bolt-on replacements such as K-member, control
arms, springs and shocks OK, rack and pinion OK
This should be re-examined. For an entry level class, the stock K-frame should be retained, including the steering box. I don't like tubular A-arms and non-Mopar brakes either, but with a weight penalty (100-200 lbs) it might be tolerable if you must allow it (which I don't think you do).
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Trans brakes and aftermarket clutches and shifters
permitted,
Get rid of the transbrake. There is no use for a transbrake in a "Street" car. I won't waste my breath anymore on transbrakes.
The way the Muscle Street rules are posted right now on the ProMax site are pretty good. I hope they stay very close to that. If racers want other equipment, they can enter another class.
jim,jim,jim...you are kidding,right.....you honestly think a w5 powered 59 degree smallblock can compete with a setof of fully ported indy sr's sitting on a 500 inch motor...with only a couple of hundred pounds of weight difference...what are ya smoking??????maybe you meant w8's or something....
i dont have any likelyhood of competing in this series anyway...but a w5 is only marginally better that a w2 head(which is allowed)very little difference performace wise....in fact a big block eddie head has at least as much potential on a 500 inch motor than a small block stroker w5 any day of the week.........sheesh...i dont understand where people honestly come from with comments like that...really......
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418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
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Re: Heads Up Races for 2006
[Re: B3422W5]
#18213
03/18/06 02:57 PM
03/18/06 02:57 PM
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440Jim
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I do exaggerate at times, just to make a point and get attention...  If the small block can't compete, build a big block. Nothing wrong with that! LOL  There are plenty of small blocks going faster than big blocks, and vise versa. It is hard to make rules. And these examples show why, people can look at things in different ways.
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Re: Heads Up Races for 2006
[Re: Leigh]
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03/18/06 07:43 PM
03/18/06 07:43 PM
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440Jim
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Bracket racing is dull for spectators. Heads up racing is exciting for spectators. So, IMO, a spectator event like heads up classes, should be funded by the spectators and sponsors, not the entry fees of the racers. ie a payout to many of the contestants, so they don't have to have the fastest car to win some money.
Bracket racing purses are paid from the entry fees. It is by the racers, for the racers. That is another reason there are more bracket race cars than heads up cars.
I like the attempt to make Muscle Street an entry level (lower cost) heads up class. But they seem to be having problems attacting racers, so they open up the rules. The simplest thing would be to limit heads to factory production cast iron offerings, that will keep the cost down. The guys with aftermarket race heads can enter the other classes. I bet if they paid more than the entry fee for the 16th place car, they would have at least 16 cars! Same for 32, etc. How many cars do you want? Just pay them from the spectator gate fees, it is suppose to draw spectators, right?
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Re: Heads Up Races for 2006
[Re: PROMAX]
#18216
03/21/06 12:35 PM
03/21/06 12:35 PM
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440Jim
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We have been getting a lot of questions on the Rockingham Race about the dates. We have been told that Friday the 14th will be a test and tune day.
Ben J. Gorman
I got an email from Rockingham today regarding their regular Mopar class:
"1/8th mile, no electronics in Footbrake, no transbrake, standard IHRA bracket rules, no ET break."
Is the heads up race using the entire 1/4 mile, or only half of it like the other classes?
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Re: Heads Up Races for 2006
[Re: 440Jim]
#18217
03/21/06 12:56 PM
03/21/06 12:56 PM
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SC
Greg
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440 Jim, I am pretty sure it will be 1/4 mile. That is what we have run in the past. I know a lot of people have their opinions of what an entry level class should be like. All I can say is join the promax series, get a T-shirt, a chance at end of year points who wins cold hard cash and a vote on the rules. Ben is trying to make this series work for us mopar guys. Do I agree with all the rules - No. At the end of the year if someone is running away with all the races I am sure they will look at that combination and ding them for weight to ensure parity. We must first have the cars for these promoters to keep this kind of racing alive. If you have 5 cars that are within 3/10 of each other in time. It then comes down to who can nail the tree. Lets get out and support what we got before we bash it. 
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