thrust bearing fail
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anybody know why a 727 would tear up the back of the thrust bearing!!??? don't think the coverter is balloning ??
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Re: thrust bearing fail
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anybody know why a 727 would tear up the back of the thrust bearing!!??? don't think the coverter is balloning ?? Just the back.. the conv is balloning and pushing forward on the crank
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Re: thrust bearing fail
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Line pressure possibly too high pushing the converter forward.
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Re: thrust bearing fail
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its a ati convertor i have never had this problem before seemed to do it in one pass at the track on motor no no2 ?? same convertor and combo for 7 years i fresend the trans and motor 1 1/2 years ago rick it ahs a geardrive on it witha cam button all looked good there, i will send the covertor back ive had it for 10 yrs its a ATI blown fuel convertor and i will take the trans apart again to ck it thanks for all the in put
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Re: thrust bearing fail
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its a ati convertor i have never had this problem before seemed to do it in one pass at the track on motor no no2 ?? same convertor and combo for 7 years i fresend the trans and motor 1 1/2 years ago rick it ahs a geardrive on it witha cam button all looked good there, i will send the covertor back ive had it for 10 yrs its a ATI blown fuel convertor and i will take the trans apart again to ck it thanks for all the in put Being that its a older conv and has many cycles on it, its possible that the walls of the conv are getting weaker from flexing and is actually starting to flex more... just a guess EDIT Didnt you use spray on that engine in the past.. if you did you might have stretched the front wall and it has less distance to move when it heats up
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Re: thrust bearing fail
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its a 606 cuin hemi calles crank and a ati convertor like i said before its all been together since 2007 , never a problem ive ssen turbo 400s ruin crank thrust bearings from the covertor charge hole size on the pump puts pressure on the convertor never heard of this on a 727 anybody else ??
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Re: thrust bearing fail
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its a 606 cuin hemi calles crank and a ati convertor like i said before its all been together since 2007 , never a problem ive ssen turbo 400s ruin crank thrust bearings from the covertor charge hole size on the pump puts pressure on the convertor never heard of this on a 727 anybody else ?? I've seen 3 where the thrust was wiped out on the rear.. all 3 were from the conv expanding... and I have heard of more but I only seen the 3 EDIT All 3 I seen were 727
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Re: thrust bearing fail
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gonna send the convertor back to ATI this week ill ck it in the back of the crank 1st, im gonna pull the trans out and check the end play and pull the pump out of it take a peek before putting it behind the new bullet , thanks for all replies , gonna call john at CRT also pick his brain !!! since all the trans parts are from him !!!!
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Re: thrust bearing fail
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gonna send the convertor back to ATI this week ill ck it in the back of the crank 1st, im gonna pull the trans out and check the end play and pull the pump out of it take a peek before putting it behind the new bullet , thanks for all replies , gonna call john at CRT also pick his brain !!! since all the trans parts are from him !!!! I was thinking about this last night... when you get a new conv you might want to measure the thickness of the conv so you have a reference later on... granted I have never done it but maybe we all should
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Re: thrust bearing fail
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If you can't seem to find anything wrong and certain the converter is not ballooning, add oil groves to that main. I had the same issue of wiping the thrust and couldn't find any evidence of the converter and was advised to add groves for extra oiling from my transmission builder who builds/races sprint cars. Have not had a problem since. can you explain more on grooving.
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Re: thrust bearing fail
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An automatic trans is ALWAYS trying to push the converter out the front, when the line pressure gets up, that's just a fact. Now, if you are pushing more fluid in the converter than it can exhaust, it will burn the thrust out of the motor. So what can cause that? If the converter has a sprag, it could be going out. Otherwise something in the trans is not allowing the converter to exhaust fluid properly.
Guys talk about "ballooning" all the time. You would need virtually zero snout clearance and an incredible amount of core expansion for that to actually hurt a thrust. Its normally always a fluid issue
Monte Doesn't it go from converter to cooler? ie; cooler's plugged? I always wondered what the symptons of a pinched line would be.
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Re: thrust bearing fail
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Dealing with this issue in my cousin's 67 Firebird with a stroker 400. It now has wiped the thrust bearing twice. First time blamed the pressure in the tranny as the tranny had been rebuilt. This was a new build with the new stroker crank - old stock crank was fine.
In 125 street miles lost 0.010 inches in the thrust with the rebuilt motor. We are trying to cover all bases this time.
We want to know for sure if the tranny is causing excessive thrust on the crank so I believe we will measure the thrust force on the crank before we tear it apart. We have a plan...........
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Re: thrust bearing fail
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mark i know for a fact that a turbo 400 will wipe out the thrust bearing in the engine it is behind, if the convertor charger hole in the pump is not taken car of go to yellow bullet hutch trans section !!!!!
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Re: thrust bearing fail
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thanks for the input BOB i will check that before i reinstall it i sent it back to ati it hasn't been freshened since 2008 [i found paper work on it] cant hut to have it checked ?? its just weird that it happend so fast ?? one pass NO NO2 !! i noticed it lost about 20 psi of oil pressure so i put it on the trailer, took it apart 2 days later and i found metal in the oil pan only thing wrong was the back of the thrust bearing was destroyed all the other bearings were near perfect
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Re: thrust bearing fail
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Same crank, same trans, same converter that you have ALWAYS run, with no issues. So look at it logically. Did the converter to crank hub fitment suddenly change? Highly unlikely.......So what else was changed? You freshened motor and trans. So looking at it from that standpoint, you either set the thrust up WAY tight or something in the trans is not letting the converter exhaust the fluid fast enough............Or, like I said, the element in converter COULD be going away, but I am still betting something in trans. Ten year old converter though, so it sure wouldn't hurt to have it looked at and freshened
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Re: thrust bearing fail
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yeah , monte im going to take the trans a apart , check my trans cooler and lines and i sent the convertor back to ati , i checked my my records the thrust was .006 , ill post back what i find !!!!
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mark i know for a fact that a turbo 400 will wipe out the thrust bearing in the engine it is behind, if the convertor charger hole in the pump is not taken car of go to yellow bullet hutch trans section !!!!! Thanks! I did not know Yellow Bullet had a tranny forum. Did find some interesting info.
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