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Good balancer ?????....UPDATE....MUSCLE MOTORS.. #1795257
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Is this a good quality balancer? I think its a Powerforce, or Powerbrand. Shows part #15961 & # PB 1112SS. Is this a stock type replacement balancer? Let me know your opinions then I'll tell ya what engine it's on.
..UPDATE.... This was put on a 622 with PSO heads and a 4.75 Callies crank that cost me over 20k built by ..MUSCLE MOTORS....Ive had other issues with this engine and have gotten ZERO support from them after they got my final payment.

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PSO headed 632 from MM. Cracked cylinder, loose valve seats, low oil pressure, low cylinder pressure.
..... Now its a door stop....
Re: Good balancer or elcheapo.... [Re: steve660] #1795258
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PSO headed 632 from MM. Cracked cylinder, loose valve seats, low oil pressure, low cylinder pressure.
..... Now its a door stop....
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PSO headed 632 from MM. Cracked cylinder, loose valve seats, low oil pressure, low cylinder pressure.
..... Now its a door stop....
Re: Good balancer or elcheapo.... [Re: steve660] #1795260
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PSO headed 632 from MM. Cracked cylinder, loose valve seats, low oil pressure, low cylinder pressure.
..... Now its a door stop....
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PSO headed 632 from MM. Cracked cylinder, loose valve seats, low oil pressure, low cylinder pressure.
..... Now its a door stop....
Re: Good balancer or elcheapo.... [Re: steve660] #1795262
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PSO headed 632 from MM. Cracked cylinder, loose valve seats, low oil pressure, low cylinder pressure.
..... Now its a door stop....
Re: Good balancer or elcheapo.... [Re: steve660] #1795263
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Re: Good balancer or elcheapo.... [Re: steve660] #1795264
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When I buy parts for my race car , I buy parts that I see on many other race cars.........or make them if I have to.
Street car ? My criteria aren't quite so strict , but I still am not afraid to pay for quality.
This one is an el cheapo.........it might be fine for your application.
Or it might not.

Re: Good balancer or elcheapo.... [Re: Quicktree] #1795265
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Just wanted other opinions.. Engine builder told me they run this balancer on street engines because, and I quote.."They maintain good pulley alignment for street applications." That's BS....I have ran Fluidamper and have had no problem with pulley alignment. Stay tuned for more info on what the engine is.......still wanting more opinions.

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PSO headed 632 from MM. Cracked cylinder, loose valve seats, low oil pressure, low cylinder pressure.
..... Now its a door stop....
Re: Good balancer or elcheapo.... [Re: steve660] #1795266
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PowerBond is the brand that the late Dan Costello suggested as a good budget SFI damper. Jegs offers them under their own name, too.

Professional Products' Powerforce dampers seem to be another story and would NOT be on my list of acceptable dampers for any application.

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Re: Good balancer or elcheapo.... [Re: BradH] #1795267
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scribe the timing mark down the front in case it moves for an oh sh*t indicator ....


SFI 25.5 depends,no leak,even at 213 mph....
Re: Good balancer or elcheapo.... [Re: steve660] #1795268
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that looks like the same one that was on my 440 short block i bought. mine has been going for over 4 years now and i have not had any problems with it.


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Re: Good balancer or elcheapo.... [Re: mopar65] #1795269
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sorry for got to add the only thing i don't like about it is i think the balance r is to thin to use with a stock timing chain cover. by that i mean the timing marks numbers like 32/34/36 etc they sit under the timing cover tab. I think they should of engraved the timing numbers longer.


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Re: Good balancer or elcheapo.... [Re: dakotawilly] #1795270
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scribe the timing mark down the front in case it moves for an oh sh*t indicator ....



Not enough to do so, i have seen cheap balancers turn into fragmentationgrenades without even trying to slip,small and big chunks real dangerous will never buy a cheap balancer and hope its ok street or racecar does not mather they can turn into danger at less than 6000rpm and have seen them take a fuelpump outlet with them..

Re: Good balancer or elcheapo.... [Re: 1Fast340] #1795271
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I believe they are made down here in OZ by powerbond....... hence the PB in the part number, sold also in usa under pioneer name....ive used them before no worries and lots of 9-10 sec cars here running power bond balancers

Re: Good balancer or elcheapo.... [Re: steve660] #1795272
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I like the ATI super damper for racing. I have a 440source damper on my street car.

Re: Good balancer or elcheapo.... [Re: steve660] #1795273
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I'm pretty sure I know exactly what caliber of motor this balancer is on and there's no way I'd run it. Get an ATI.


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I'm pretty sure I know exactly what caliber of motor this balancer is on and there's no way I'd run it. Get an ATI.




x2 on any race motor....


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Re: Good balancer or elcheapo.... [Re: L4staero] #1795275
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I believe they are made down here in OZ by powerbond....... hence the PB in the part number, sold also in usa under pioneer name...



Yep; these are Pioneer's SFI dampers, too.

They're not junk, but they're no ATI either.

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Little more info........The engine builder put this balancer on a 4.75 stroke Callies crank. Dyno'd at 1000hp. I am not comfortable using it....going either Fluidamper or ATI. Wait....I was "TOLD" it was a Callies crank..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/1343795-scratchchin.gif" alt="" />

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PSO headed 632 from MM. Cracked cylinder, loose valve seats, low oil pressure, low cylinder pressure.
..... Now its a door stop....
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