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Re: Has the QC on 440 Source cranks improved?
[Re: dmking]
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03/27/15 09:18 PM
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Stanton
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Here we go,
No kidding !! The plain and simple fact is, no matter how good of a product you make, somebody, somewhere will find fault with it.
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Re: Has the QC on 440 Source cranks improved?
[Re: Stanton]
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03/27/15 11:43 PM
03/27/15 11:43 PM
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i have a winberg,zero problems there.but everything needs checked.cheap,expensive,new,used or whatever.lots of reasons many companys can make mistakes. mistakes are never intentional.check and recheck and sleep well at night.
SFI 25.5 depends,no leak,even at 213 mph....
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Re: Has the QC on 440 Source cranks improved?
[Re: rickraw]
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03/27/15 11:59 PM
03/27/15 11:59 PM
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I have had (2) 440source cranks that checked out good but my 2200 dollar Calais crank that I got off Indy for my 572 was cut .010 when I bought it. Brand new in the box crank.
1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
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422 Indy headed small block
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Re: Has the QC on 440 Source cranks improved?
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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03/28/15 12:26 AM
03/28/15 12:26 AM
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geezer acres rest home
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mopar
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every once in a while,ohio gets a batch that needs remachined,but they tell you that in advance and discount them accordingly.usually they are sold at .010 under after they make them right....
SFI 25.5 depends,no leak,even at 213 mph....
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Re: Has the QC on 440 Source cranks improved?
[Re: Stanton]
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03/28/15 02:49 PM
03/28/15 02:49 PM
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Wichita
GY3
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Here we go,
No kidding !! The plain and simple fact is, no matter how good of a product you make, somebody, somewhere will find fault with it.
Usually it's the people who have never owned or used one...
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Re: Has the QC on 440 Source cranks improved?
[Re: GY3]
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03/28/15 03:17 PM
03/28/15 03:17 PM
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JohnRR
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Here we go,
No kidding !! The plain and simple fact is, no matter how good of a product you make, somebody, somewhere will find fault with it.
Usually it's the people who have never owned or used one...
I don't think there is enough sword swallowing going on here , this should bring them out ...
When people you TRUST tell you about, and then show you the damaged bearings from an engine that has only 5 dyno pulls on it, you would be a freaking idiot to take a chance to save 200 bucks ...
But I hope for the sake of the budget builder, that can't get their fill of CCJ, that their QC has improved because they are partly responsible for more aftermarket support for the big block Mopar engine.
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Re: Has the QC on 440 Source cranks improved?
[Re: JohnRR]
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03/28/15 05:23 PM
03/28/15 05:23 PM
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Here we go,
No kidding !! The plain and simple fact is, no matter how good of a product you make, somebody, somewhere will find fault with it.
Usually it's the people who have never owned or used one...
How long ago did this happen?
I don't think there is enough sword swallowing going on here , this should bring them out ...
When people you TRUST tell you about, and then show you the damaged bearings from an engine that has only 5 dyno pulls on it, you would be a freaking idiot to take a chance to save 200 bucks ...
But I hope for the sake of the budget builder, that can't get their fill of CCJ, that their QC has improved because they are partly responsible for more aftermarket support for the big block Mopar engine.
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Re: Has the QC on 440 Source cranks improved?
[Re: rowin4]
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03/28/15 08:01 PM
03/28/15 08:01 PM
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BradH
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The tales of bad cranks seem to have been rumors perpetrated by people who had no actual first hand knowledge but are just down on products made in China.
Bull$hit. More than one person who builds / built engines for a living has provided details in the past on certain cranks whose finish tolerances were far from ideal (excessive journal taper, inconsistent sizing from one journal to the next).
I know some of the brands seem to have gotten better. My 2nd Eagle crank is surprisingly good (my first one needed the mains cut .010"). The only thing I don't like was that the crank snout where the damper fits was on the small side, so I needed to buy a new SFI damper to make sure the press fit was acceptable. My original SFI damper had already been honed to fit an OEM-sized snout and would have been too loose.
Just because some people don't want to hear that their budget parts might not have been machined as precisely as more expensive & higher quality items doesn't make it a "rumor".
Here we go, The question was about 440 Source and now your saying how your Eagle crank was a piece of crap. Just to let you know I had my Eagle crank checked by a top Engine builder and it was good to go. If my 440 Source crank needed to be turned .010 it would have been sent back. 
1. Original poster asked about 440 Source cranks.
2. Stanton replied in regards to Chinese parts categorically, to which I (obviously) disagreed with his comment.
3. I also pointed out the my first Eagle crank (also CHINESE), needed the mains cut down, but the only complaint I have w/ the 2nd Eagle crank (still CHINESE) is that the snout is sized on the small side and I bought a new balancer because I couldn't re-use my original balancer since it had been honed to fit an OEM crank and would be too loose on the smaller-sized Eagle snout.
Nowhere did I call my Eagle crank(s) a "piece of crap", YOU did. If I didn't think it was a reasonable piece to use, I wouldn't have bought a 2nd one. However, I surely knew to expect that it might need some correction work, just as previous posts on the 440 Source cranks also told people to expect.
I didn't pay Callies prices (I got mine for $600 each), and I didn't expect Callies quality, but plenty of people on here seem to think you can honestly get the quality w/o the price from so many budget offshore parts. There's been enough evidence of that being unrealistic over the years that you'd think nobody would even debate the topic.
For the OP, my  is to buy the Molnar, even if it costs a bit more than the 440 Source when the cost w/ shipping is factored in.
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Re: Has the QC on 440 Source cranks improved?
[Re: BradH]
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03/28/15 08:10 PM
03/28/15 08:10 PM
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I just got the first 440 Source kit in my shop--
Here is what I found:
Pistons were a dish no one else offers except order and wait so they were a Bingo!
Crank was on low side everywhere--so she turned like hot butter another BINGO!!!
Rods ehh...honed pins to fit like normal
Big deal is the crank seal area--It is SMOOTH like they SHOULD BE!! I am done with the "hash mark--deep gouge"-BS on Eagles! No more Eagles in this shop with that mess back there--They need to SOBER UP!! and quit doing cranks that way like it is 1962.....I think they are idiots for keeping that up
So...I am impressed a backyard guy would come out fine with what I recieved after he pinfit the rods --they also mentioned that when I ordered!!
Think they should go ahead and do it for folks to improve their kit but ......silly not to--easy way to imprve their offerings--
Me likey so far....
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Re: Has the QC on 440 Source cranks improved?
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03/28/15 11:19 PM
03/28/15 11:19 PM
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Downtown Roebuck Ont
Twostick
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I just got the first 440 Source kit in my shop--
Here is what I found:
Pistons were a dish no one else offers except order and wait so they were a Bingo!
Crank was on low side everywhere--so she turned like hot butter another BINGO!!!
Rods ehh...honed pins to fit like normal
Big deal is the crank seal area--It is SMOOTH like they SHOULD BE!! I am done with the "hash mark--deep gouge"-BS on Eagles! No more Eagles in this shop with that mess back there--They need to SOBER UP!! and quit doing cranks that way like it is 1962.....I think they are idiots for keeping that up
So...I am impressed a backyard guy would come out fine with what I recieved after he pinfit the rods --they also mentioned that when I ordered!!
Think they should go ahead and do it for folks to improve their kit but ......silly not to--easy way to imprve their offerings--
Me likey so far....
The reason the rods need to be honed to fit is because there are several different .990 pins and they vary from under to over .990. The rods are sized so they can be fit to the smallest known pin size.
I got that info from Brandon when I picked up my kit from him years ago.
I prefer having my machinist fit the pins. It's one of those clearances that there is no room for error.
I'm not a fan of buying a balanced kit either. By the time you pay to have it checked, you're well on the way to paying for the job in the first place.
Kevin
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Re: Has the QC on 440 Source cranks improved?
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03/29/15 12:11 AM
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JohnRR
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Big deal is the crank seal area--It is SMOOTH like they SHOULD BE!! I am done with the "hash mark--deep gouge"-BS on Eagles! No more Eagles in this shop with that mess back there--They need to SOBER UP!! and quit doing cranks that way like it is 1962.....I think they are idiots for keeping that up
I'm not 100% certian but I don't think the source cranks were originally a smooth seal surface and they were pretty rough to the point of eating seals ??? So if that's the case then there is a positive direction they went in.
Now the Eagle is a knurled surface ??? That's odd , I'm 99% sure the Eagle crank I have , circa 2003 , is a smooth seal surface , so that would be a step backward for Eagle ???
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Re: Has the QC on 440 Source cranks improved?
[Re: JohnRR]
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03/30/15 01:04 AM
03/30/15 01:04 AM
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BradH
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...I am done with the "hash mark--deep gouge"-BS on Eagles!...
Now the Eagle is a knurled surface ???...
Just checked my second Eagle crank and -- yup -- it's knurled.
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that answers everything on building an engine. Good practice to live by.
