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Re: 440 source girdle
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12/31/08 02:48 AM
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Greg-Will drop you a PM. Cheap, hey I am buying on the US Governments dime we would expect nothing to be cheap  Rotary makes a ton of models, we have three different two post models ourselves.
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Re: 440 source girdle
[Re: BradH]
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12/31/08 01:55 PM
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Whenever posts like this go south you can always tell the "Professional" vendors on here by there comments... Its business like bcr / hughes / dr diff / firecore wires etc that will always get my cash for parts they always have excellent professional responses  that is worth the extra coin to me  I wish all 440 suppliers did that.....
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Re: 440 source girdle
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01/01/09 11:00 PM
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I wish all 440 suppliers did that.....
oh brother
for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?
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Re: 440 source girdle
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01/02/09 03:32 AM
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(Yes, even you Brad)
 I've no bones w/ Hughes Engines. In fact, just this last weekend I was looking through a box of valve train parts I'd purchased from you guys for my Road Runner. My Challenger has some goodies from Hughes Engines on it, too: your modified M1 intake and Probe rockers. Plus, I've run some of your cams over the years with good results.
Yes, main girdles go back much farther than the parts we're talking about. No debate there.
However, Mike @ Chenoweth told me that your company purchased one of their B-block girdles from him (he still had the receipt at the time this conversation took place) and then Hughes Engines proceeded to offer the same item shortly there after. If you don't agree w/ the chain of events he described, please take it up w/ him.
If I'm passing on bad information, I'm happy to stand (or sit) corrected. However, from the public's perspective (i.e. when each company began to offer the main girdle kits), it doesn't appear that he's in error.
Even if Hughes bought one to "check out" the competition, so what? That's a very common practice in the manufacturing world. I work for a company that builds commercial HVAC equipment, and we recently purchased a couple of units from a competitor, just to tear them apart to see how our units stack up, and perhaps "glean" a design idea or two that we might like. You may think its dirty pool, but thats the way of the jungle.
MOST of the auto makers do this as normal practice as well.As far as the girdle goes, I strongly believe that unless the girdle is designed and used with special caps (like the BCR unit) the plate style girdle by itself probably would do more harm than good. I bought a plate style girdle designed to work with the stock caps. It used long @ss studs and 1/2" spacers between the caps and the plate, then washers and nuts went on.It's now an expensive paperweight, as soon as I got it I could see the extra length of the studs would make it weaker.I suppose if you put a first set of washers and nuts right against the cap,a spacer,the girdle, and a second set of washers and nuts it might be better.
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Re: 440 source girdle
[Re: 10sec440]
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01/02/09 01:17 PM
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you're tellin' me that you got a girdle that only has spacers between the plate and the caps? no nuts? that's insane! what brand is it? color me horrified and curious.
for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?
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Re: 440 source girdle
[Re: bcrproducts]
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01/02/09 06:35 PM
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I just sit and watch these discussions lately. But I will add to this before it gets uglier. My design girdle is not new. It has been done before but not on a Mopar. It was the Moparts community that streamlined the design that you see today.With lots of help here by Tom in Finland Dan at Performance Only Ryan at ShadyDell and so many others I can not remember. Very few ideas are truly new nowadays. But one thing I said from the start is that there will be no compromise "quality only". Is it cheap "nope" is it made here in North America "yes" that is why it is costly.Is it gouging "nope" just try to manufacture a part nowadays guys and you will be shocked at what materials and equipment costs. Will it get knocked off by someone and taken to Asia, "likely" and when it does I will go on and make other things no big deal. I have always diversified and make billet gokart parts as well as hold a patent on www.hoisthanger.com which by the way I did not copy and soley invented.
So you guys be the judge when you build a 10K motor will you skimp on a few hundred dollars or buck up and get a better piece. That is for you to decide. Thanks for all the support guys and have a happy New Year ---Greg
www.bcrproducts.com
Don't be so tough on yourself Greg, you have a great product at a reasonable price. I compared the different girdle/main cap setups before I ordered the BCR setup. Although it is not inexpensive, The cost was not much different than the Chenworth setup when you do the mains and girdle at the same time.
When I do the 440 stroker 505" street engine I may try one of the other girdles, I need something to space the stock windage tray away from the stroker crank 
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Re: 440 source girdle
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01/02/09 10:22 PM
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you're tellin' me that you got a girdle that only has spacers between the plate and the caps? no nuts? that's insane! what brand is it? color me horrified and curious.
That is correct. I am not at liberty to say who it was but he was a former high profile member here not long ago. I'm not sure about the other brands but ask questions to be sure.
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Re: 440 source girdle
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01/03/09 12:25 AM
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you're tellin' me that you got a girdle that only has spacers between the plate and the caps? no nuts? that's insane! what brand is it? color me horrified and curious.
In case anyone is wondering, 440 Source's girdle uses double nuts, one to hold the main caps to the studs (like a standard main setup) and then a second nut to secure the girdle to the "extra" long part of the stud.
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Re: 440 source girdle
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01/03/09 01:00 AM
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you're tellin' me that you got a girdle that only has spacers between the plate and the caps? no nuts? that's insane! what brand is it? color me horrified and curious.
In case anyone is wondering, 440 Source's girdle uses double nuts, one to hold the main caps to the studs (like a standard main setup) and then a second nut to secure the girdle to the "extra" long part of the stud.
I wouldnt do any other way. mike 
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Re: 440 source girdle
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01/03/09 09:56 AM
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you're tellin' me that you got a girdle that only has spacers between the plate and the caps? no nuts? that's insane! what brand is it? color me horrified and curious.
In case anyone is wondering, 440 Source's girdle uses double nuts, one to hold the main caps to the studs (like a standard main setup) and then a second nut to secure the girdle to the "extra" long part of the stud.
I wouldnt do any other way. mike
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. Obviously, it did. My apologies to those whose feathers I ruffled w/ my statements.
