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Re: 2009 Ram Bodies. [Re: Todd] #1778907
03/16/15 11:55 PM
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You all fail to nail the true problem.

It's the crap your states are putting on the road that is actively destroying your vehicles.

I have an 05 Ram that gets driven daily, year round with zero rust.

Why? Because they do not use chemical on the roads around here.

The state has been destroying your vehicles for decades and y'all continue to blame the manufacturers.


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Re: 2009 Ram Bodies. [Re: Supercuda] #1778908
03/17/15 01:09 AM
03/17/15 01:09 AM
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Quote:

You all fail to nail the true problem.

It's the crap your states are putting on the road that is actively destroying your vehicles.

I have an 05 Ram that gets driven daily, year round with zero rust.

Why? Because they do not use chemical on the roads around here.

The state has been destroying your vehicles for decades and y'all continue to blame the manufacturers.




True, but you have mild winters normally in Texas.

A little snow and ice like this year and you have massive fender benders down there because no one is used to driving on the stuff.

Without all the crap that they put on the roads up here during the winter none of the snow and ice would melt anytime before spring.

My cure for it is don't leave the house during winter.

Not everyone can do that though.


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Re: 2009 Ram Bodies. [Re: SNK-EYZ] #1778909
03/17/15 02:24 AM
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At one point you could blame operator error on the quantity of seam sealer that was applied to the area above the rear wheel wells.
It was applied strictly by the operator on the joint before the inner and outer bed sides were spot welded together at the marriage operation.
I did that job a few times. Once you got the hang of it, it was far from the worst job in metal shop.

The fact that the seam sealer was applied prior to spot welding may be why it looks more like foam than seam sealer, the spot welding process probably boiled it from the heat of the welding process.
It wasn't a foam when it was applied to the bed sides sheetmetal parts.

When they retooled for the 2002 body style they completely redid the metal shop and automated more of the process, whether that process was automated I can't say since I was in the chassis dept by them.

They spent $200 million to redo the metal shop for 2002 and the closed it all and tore everything down 7 years later.

Go figure.




Thanks for clarifying the process. The stuff does feel more like foam than seam sealer to me. Maybe the welding process is what makes it seem so inconsistant in amount and effectiveness.
Dallas


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Re: 2009 Ram Bodies. [Re: MOBodyman] #1778910
03/17/15 07:25 PM
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I had an 04 1500 for 7 years , no rear wheel well liners installed , ZERO RUST when I traded it in

It got washed , power washed , in the winter all the time

My 2011 is perfect / spotless !!! And this one came with rear wheel well liners installed


You know for every 03-08 that I see in WI , one will have rust , the other will not

Have yet to see a 09 and up with any rust , and I look


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Re: 2009 Ram Bodies. [Re: MOBodyman] #1778911
03/17/15 07:31 PM
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At one point you could blame operator error on the quantity of seam sealer that was applied to the area above the rear wheel wells.
It was applied strictly by the operator on the joint before the inner and outer bed sides were spot welded together at the marriage operation.
I did that job a few times. Once you got the hang of it, it was far from the worst job in metal shop.

The fact that the seam sealer was applied prior to spot welding may be why it looks more like foam than seam sealer, the spot welding process probably boiled it from the heat of the welding process.
It wasn't a foam when it was applied to the bed sides sheetmetal parts.

When they retooled for the 2002 body style they completely redid the metal shop and automated more of the process, whether that process was automated I can't say since I was in the chassis dept by them.

They spent $200 million to redo the metal shop for 2002 and the closed it all and tore everything down 7 years later.

Go figure.




Thanks for clarifying the process. The stuff does feel more like foam than seam sealer to me. Maybe the welding process is what makes it seem so inconsistant in amount and effectiveness.
Dallas




Would explain what I just posted in my other thread

For every one that has rust , there is another that doesn't - Talking In WI


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Re: 2009 Ram Bodies. [Re: SNK-EYZ] #1778912
03/17/15 07:54 PM
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Quote:

Quote:

You all fail to nail the true problem.

It's the crap your states are putting on the road that is actively destroying your vehicles.

I have an 05 Ram that gets driven daily, year round with zero rust.

Why? Because they do not use chemical on the roads around here.

The state has been destroying your vehicles for decades and y'all continue to blame the manufacturers.




True, but you have mild winters normally in Texas.

A little snow and ice like this year and you have massive fender benders down there because no one is used to driving on the stuff.

Without all the crap that they put on the roads up here during the winter none of the snow and ice would melt anytime before spring.

My cure for it is don't leave the house during winter.

Not everyone can do that though.




No real massive fender benders where I live, just the big city where, apparently, living there makes you lose your mind or something.

Last year I had to help my daughter move into their first home up in Abilene. What normally takes maybe 1.5 hours driving the limit too me almost 4 hours due to ice. Yeah, I was doing 35 on the highway, but that was as fast as was safe to go. Yes, I got passed too.

Anyway, just one more reason to live where I do. No rust. I hate working on cars from the rust belt.


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They say there is always the exception that proves the rule.
Don't be the exception.
Re: 2009 Ram Bodies. [Re: Supercuda] #1778913
03/17/15 08:07 PM
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Further north the vehicles don't rust as bad because they can't use salt or other chemicals anymore, they aren't effective below a certain temperature. Colorado vehicles usually aren't too bad either, they just seem to dump sand/gravel down instead.

My 05 is destroyed, it's really discouraging. It was clean until around the end of 2013 and then fell apart all at once. Large holes on the passenger side, bubbles on the driver's side, holes in the quarter panel area behind the wheel, tons of bubbles in the rear bumper, the edges of the rear doors, the frame crossmember by the spare tire....and my rocker panel on the passenger side front has large holes in it too.


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Re: 2009 Ram Bodies. [Re: Blusmbl] #1778914
03/17/15 08:20 PM
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They use plenty of salt in WI

All the snow is gone as of last week

You should see the salt piles everywhere on the roads , we need a good couple of days of heavy rain before I even think of pulling out the Bee

U.P. Michigan uses sand just north of me


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Re: 2009 Ram Bodies. [Re: bee1971] #1778915
03/17/15 08:34 PM
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Yeah, the UP and Canada seem to not use salt. I grew up in Wisconsin and live in Detroit now, the upper midwest I think it the worst region in the USA for vehicle rust. The east coast is bad too, but not as bad as what I see around here. I'm sure some of that is due to the lack of vehicle inspections here in Michigan though.

I forgot to mention the heat shield on my passenger side exhaust manifold also rusted off.

Re: 2009 Ram Bodies. [Re: Blusmbl] #1778916
03/21/15 07:53 PM
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Pulled the plastic rear wheel tubs out this morning , was interested to see what my 2011 looked like after 4 winters in WI/MI. Honestly , it was pretty damn clean behind there . Was pretty happy looking over everything . Cleaned everything up with WD-40 , metal looked factory new . No moisture or surface rust anywhere .

Those plastic wheel well tubs really keep the salt-dirt-sand out


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