Re: new dart mopar blocks !
[Re: dakotawilly]
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03/05/15 01:53 PM
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PLEASE POST THIS INFO ON EVERY MOPAR SITE YOU KNOW OF !! and also dart machinerys facebook page, pass the word on to go to dartmachinery.com and give them your input on this.we need the numbers to show the true need......
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Re: new dart mopar blocks !
[Re: Quicktree]
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03/05/15 02:32 PM
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the reason I sold out from the big block stuff was because I couldn't find a block like many others have posted.
now, I would like to see some 4.15+ 6.1 hemi blocks made now that I'm into the new hemi stuff. I'm sure BES and Arrington would buy them by the pallets
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Re: new dart mopar blocks !
[Re: DusterDave]
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03/05/15 03:30 PM
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I got the big block side covered so how about an aluminum copy of an R3 small block.
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.38@138.67
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Re: new dart mopar blocks !
[Re: JohnRR]
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03/05/15 04:03 PM
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Tell them to contact Koleno and see if they can work together , the tooling cost would be very low in this situation.
You'd think that could be a win-win collaboration, but it's hard to say how different companies (people) work together.
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Re: new dart mopar blocks !
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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03/05/15 04:09 PM
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Dudes, it's going to be very hard to get anyone to build a block if nobody can agree on what they want.
Let's start out with a 4.80", 10.725 RB mains, then add a 4.80" 9.980 low deck with RB mains. It'd be great if they could go out to 4.500 bore, but even a 4.375 guaranteed would be better than nothing. Also on the wish list would be a stouter bottom end, possibly GII Hemi style main caps.
That'd be an enormous first step.
See how those sell, then if the market exists, add more styles. But, asking for everything at once is not going to get anything built.
If the potential manufacturer is seeing too many variations he'll do nothing because the fragmented nature of the market does not guarantee enough return or volume to pay for the initial investment.
Can't wait for the day of printing complete blocks.
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Re: new dart mopar blocks !
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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03/05/15 04:16 PM
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I got the big block side covered so how about an aluminum copy of an R3 small block.
Hell even an iron block would be cool! Anything SB is a bonus to me
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Re: new dart mopar blocks !
[Re: JohnRR]
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03/05/15 04:26 PM
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Tell them to contact Koleno and see if they can work together , the tooling cost would be very low in this situation.
get involved with Ritter and get the SB stuff moving along too...
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Re: new dart mopar blocks !
[Re: 496 A-body]
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03/05/15 04:38 PM
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think of it this way,they could easily offer an iron b,rb and a hemi replacement block good to 1000+ horsepower cheap,and i am sure the r3 replacement market is there.now the gen3 market is exploding also...they always give you options with a real out of the box USABLE block.no bs,no wait time and no off to the machine shop to add another grand just to use it.we really need to take this golden opportunity to the production level.i threw the bait out there and they bit !!!let them know....
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Re: new dart mopar blocks !
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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03/05/15 04:43 PM
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So now you want then to do both a B and an RB block when there are already good options out there thru Indy, Keith Black, and others.
I don't really have a dog in this fight since I'm likely stuck in the OEM block band-aid approach, but I'd like to know the truth behind what you said about existing aftermarket B & RB blocks.
This is what I've been hearing (right or wrong): 1. Indy aluminum - Available product, but poor QC; pay for a "finished" block and still have to have someone else fix the machine work
2. Keith Black aluminum - Great block... once it finally shows up. Unless you're the only game in town, that's a business model headed for disaster (again).
3. Koleno - Nice iron block, but not currently in production, nor any expected time for when it will be
4. MP Mega iron (1st generation) - Decent block, but long since gone from inventory and replaced by the...
5. World / MP block - Not a well finished product to begin with, plus lack of availability (World no longer contracted by MP to produce them?)
So, even for the "bread and butter" B / RB replacement blocks, what's really out there today?
You need to consider what's THE product that will generate enough sales volume to entice a company like Dart to get into the Mopar block market. Everything else that are way more niche applications are simply too obscure to take on and expect to be profitable.
Otherwise, this will get the same response from Dart as David Vizard gave when someone asked about him doing a Mopar-specific performance book: "Sorry, not going to happen!"
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Re: new dart mopar blocks !
[Re: dakotawilly]
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03/05/15 04:52 PM
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The reason to make any 4.800 BS blocks, would be to satisfy just a few. And a low deck, tall deck version, they are available in aluminum and the cast crowd would mostly use stock blocks IMO. If they were going to make something, a 5.0 or 5.3 BS is what's needed. If they were to make the block, there needs to be a head, crankshaft, etc. to fit the block. The GM designed stuff is already there and has been for a while. I have no idea why anyone with any business sense would do this for us. As far as small block stuff, I haven't a clue as I moved away from that many years ago.
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Re: new dart mopar blocks !
[Re: BradH]
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03/05/15 04:56 PM
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Love my keith black and yes I ordered it before I needed it as I was told by other to do so that's s non issue. Indy makes a great block to and many of my friends have an race the heck out of them. On such friend running 8's would trash a block almost every race season with all the band aids till as he says. Wised up
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.38@138.67
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Re: new dart mopar blocks !
[Re: camastomcat]
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03/05/15 04:58 PM
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simple math,count the number of people using stock 20 plus year old blocks,then count the guys using the high dollar aftermarket stuff.an aftermarket replacement block capable of 1000+ hp would far out sell the big boy toys.you got to walk before you run here.there is a market for the more exotic stuff too,but eventually the stock stuff will run out.there has been zero production for many moons and an affordable replacement that could be used for a higher output application cheap,would be the hot ticket right now...
SFI 25.5 depends,no leak,even at 213 mph....
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