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Re: Cam walk? [Re: Armdropdart68] #1771367
03/06/15 12:37 AM
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Re: Cam walk? [Re: Stanton] #1771368
03/06/15 03:44 PM
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Well I can tell you what happens when the rear cam plug is not installed all the way in.... The cam walks until the cam lobe wears,




Well that's really strange because the timing sprocket usually stops the cam from moving back!!




Just going by what I was told by the guy who took the motor apart.

Re: Cam walk? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1771369
03/06/15 08:39 PM
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Well I can tell you what happens when the rear cam plug is not installed all the way in.... The cam walks until the cam lobe wears,



Well that's really strange because the timing sprocket usually stops the cam from moving back!!



Just going by what I was told by the guy who took the motor apart.





You should find someone else to put it back together. He clearly hasn't got a clue!

The timing sprocket bolts to the front of the cam. The sprocket rides against the block so there's NO FRICKIN WAY that the rear core plug falling out has anything to do with a cam walking out the back of a block. Maybe the bolt(s) fell out of the sprocket but even so, you can't put any blame on the plug as its simply not designed to hold the cam in.

Re: Cam walk? [Re: jlatessa] #1771370
03/08/15 10:26 AM
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Hope this is not seen as too dumb a question, but why are solid rollers prone to walk vs flat tappet??

And where is the button installed, front or back?

Anyone have some pics?.......




This explanation from Iskendarian is probably the best I've ever seen.

http://www.iskycams.com/pdfcatalog/2004-05/page192.pdf


"We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".
Re: Cam walk? [Re: 6PakBee] #1771371
03/08/15 02:01 PM
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Thanks for all the info guys, I understand the physics of the problem now.

I've ordered both the Comp. Cams buttons; nylon and roller, to see which we prefer, and have polished the area where they will contact the cover, (standard sheet metal).

It seems pretty stout with no deflection when I give it a substantial push so I'm not sure of the need for one of the cast covers outside of the timing adjustability feature.

I may weld a reinforcement plate on the outside of the cover if your consensus agrees it would help.

I'm using a Comp Cam's cam and rollers and timing set so compatibility should work when it comes to adjusting end play.

Getting close to installing the cam so stay tuned for more questions, You guys are a big help to all of us needing your expertise and I know I appreciate it!!

Joe



Re: Cam walk? [Re: jlatessa] #1771372
03/08/15 03:30 PM
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Thanks for all the info guys, I understand the physics of the problem now.

I've ordered both the Comp. Cams buttons; nylon and roller, to see which we prefer, and have polished the area where they will contact the cover, (standard sheet metal).

It seems pretty stout with no deflection when I give it a substantial push so I'm not sure of the need for one of the cast covers outside of the timing adjustability feature.

I may weld a reinforcement plate on the outside of the cover if your consensus agrees it would help.

I'm using a Comp Cam's cam and rollers and timing set so compatibility should work when it comes to adjusting end play.

Getting close to installing the cam so stay tuned for more questions, You guys are a big help to all of us needing your expertise and I know I appreciate it!!

Joe







I plan to put the reinforcement on the back of the waterpump.

Re: Cam walk? [Re: JohnRR] #1771373
03/08/15 04:47 PM
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John, do you plan on measuring the gap then welding the same thickness onto the pump?

I guess that would result in a substantial back-up to the cover.

It would entail at least a couple of assembly/dis-assembly
routines though.

Joe

Re: Cam walk? [Re: jlatessa] #1771374
03/08/15 05:41 PM
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John, do you plan on measuring the gap then welding the same thickness onto the pump?

I guess that would result in a substantial back-up to the cover.

It would entail at least a couple of assembly/dis-assembly
routines though.




The back of the pump isn't the best way to go but I guess he doesn't want to mess up his pretty chrome timing cover!

The spacer doesn't have to be a perfect fit, it can have some gap and the cover may deflect some. As long as it doesn't allow the cam to walk enough that the lifters fall off the lobes it should be ok. There would be some defection in the timing chain too but that wouldn't matter.

I hope its an aluminum pump, welding a spacer on an iron pump would be a b!tch.

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