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Re: 4 speed drivers...what's your favorite clutch? [Re: Rhinodart] #175441
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Use anything BUT a diaphram (Chivvy) type clutch, go with the original borg and beck style. I




Yepp, yepp, yepp. I have had diaphram clutches that ust flat out wouldnt work. Install a B&B and youre back to Driving a B&B plate with a sintered iron clutch disc is alot of "fun" on the street.

Take personal experiences with a grain of salt when it comes to brands. Never know how someone set one up, and used (or abused) it.


I used to care but....... things have changed
Re: 4 speed drivers...what's your favorite clutch? [Re: NTOLERANCE] #175442
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You still can't beat this set up for the money and performance. Handles 400 rwhp with ease
Rochester Clutch and Brake
585-232-3717

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Re: 4 speed drivers...what's your favorite clutch? [Re: MY340] #175443
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Nobody likes Hays anymore?

I had one in my Duster for 8+ years with no problems. I believe it was the street/strip version.


Same here, I've had a street/strip Hays forever. They may be old school but so am I. 340 4-speed 4:10

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Re: 4 speed drivers...what's your favorite clutch? #175444
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We stock Centerforce, Mcleod & Hays,give us a call!

Thanks, Wayne


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PH 937-947-4416 or 937-698-4259
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www.brewersperformance.com
Re: 4 speed drivers...what's your favorite clutch? [Re: 64dodge572] #175445
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CENTERFORCE dual friction was the one I used, very happy with it.


1969 Dart 383/727/D60

CTD Ram 4x4 Mega Cab

Procharged 350Z
Re: 4 speed drivers...what's your favorite clutch? [Re: megajoltman] #175446
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I went with centerforce in my demon.340 and 3:91 gears. Love it

Re: 4 speed drivers...what's your favorite clutch? [Re: Posest] #175447
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I had a Center force dual friction in my very healthy 360 Duster with 4.10 gears and absolutely loved it!

Re: 4 speed drivers...what's your favorite clutch? [Re: jake4cars] #175448
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i use a Centerforce Dual Disc setup in my '70 Cuda with a built 360, and 3.90 gears. I've had for a couple of years now, and I haven't had any problems with it...

Re: 4 speed drivers...what's your favorite clutch? [Re: 5spdcuda] #175449
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....I run a 10.95 McLeod diaphragm with the overcenter spring in place and an adjustable positive stop on the clutch pedal in the Cuda. This gives a light modern feel and the stop prevents overcentering the clutch diaphragm.....




Do you have an installed picture of your Positive Stop?


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1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
Re: 4 speed drivers...what's your favorite clutch? [Re: ThermoQuad] #175450
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You still can't beat this set up for the money and performance. Handles 400 rwhp with ease
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That looks a lot like Ram's sintered bronze 6000 series disc.

Re: 4 speed drivers...what's your favorite clutch? [Re: 446acuda] #175451
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It may but that is a custom disc manufactured by RC&B. There are even better friction materials than what is in the picture. The 10.95 p-p in the pic is a 2800lb clutch that currently resides behind a 400 rear wheel hp stroker and the pedal effort is easy.

For the custom p-p you get to decide how much pressure you want ie 2200lbs, 2600 lbs etc. Each p-p is carefully and individually manufactured, and the person who does the work has over 25 yrs experience. Being around since 1924 allows RC&B to build clutches on fixturing that is precise and exact, unlike the mass produced clutches of today.

Too many variables for one size fits all.
If you have an off the shelf car then use an off the shelf one size fits all clutch.

Re: 4 speed drivers...what's your favorite clutch? [Re: Duster426] #175452
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CENTERFORCE dual friction for my Duster






We have installed a butt load of centerforce dual frictions with ZERO issues.

Re: 4 speed drivers...what's your favorite clutch? [Re: MY340] #175453
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Ted,
Due to your advanced years you might want to inquire about the amount of pedal pressure/force to engage the clutch on each brand.

My Hays clutch setup was fairly stiff when compared to a standard clutch.

Just looking after the well being of your left leg and knee here.




Easy now Brian. You're right there with me as far as age.
Besides, I've already removed the overcenter spring from the pedal, so that should make the pedal a bit easier.


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Re: 4 speed drivers...what's your favorite clutch? [Re: fourgearsavoy] #175454
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I think a Mcleod B&B plate with a street/strip rag disc should do the trick.
Jamie Passon will set you up with a good Mcleod clutch at a fair price.
Gus







Just a couple of comments..
a. Make sure you have the proper Z-bar so the fork push rod runs parallel to the bellhousing
b. Add a torque strap, a big help for keeping the Z-bar and nylon bearings together

Re: 4 speed drivers...what's your favorite clutch? [Re: Sinitro] #175455
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b. Add a torque strap, a big help for keeping the Z-bar and nylon bearings together




My Dart has the spool engine mounts. They seem to hold the engine tight.
Is a torque strap necessary with those types of mounts?


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Re: 4 speed drivers...what's your favorite clutch? [Re: 340727dart] #175456
12/29/08 12:03 PM
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I use a McLeod B&B style pressure plate and a 12 inch 800 series disc behind the stroker. Brewer's Performance have them in stock, good company to deal with too.


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Re: 4 speed drivers...what's your favorite clutch? [Re: ThermoQuad] #175457
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It may but that is a custom disc manufactured by RC&B. There are even better friction materials than what is in the picture. The 10.95 p-p in the pic is a 2800lb clutch that currently resides behind a 400 rear wheel hp stroker and the pedal effort is easy.

For the custom p-p you get to decide how much pressure you want ie 2200lbs, 2600 lbs etc. Each p-p is carefully and individually manufactured, and the person who does the work has over 25 yrs experience. Being around since 1924 allows RC&B to build clutches on fixturing that is precise and exact, unlike the mass produced clutches of today.

Too many variables for one size fits all.
If you have an off the shelf car then use an off the shelf one size fits all clutch.




I agree, give Sammy Jr. a call at Rochester clutch and brake. I had a custom one built for my 600hp 570Tq stroker. and it cost less than what you listed above. You won't be sorry. Here is a link to the website: http://www.rochesterclutch.com/racing.shtml

Here is a pic of my clutch.... Yeah diaphrams are for Women and Chivvy's huh ...

Notice the fully balanced marks.

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Re: 4 speed drivers...what's your favorite clutch? [Re: Cuda340] #175458
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I have used 4 Center Force dual friction clutches.
The first was in my 84 dodge half ton 440 powered truck. It out lasted many drive train components, tires and 10 to 15 years later it started slipping. I abused this clutch by slipping it like you would a dirt bike clutch,truck pulling, hill climbing, mud bogging and generally just being mean to it. When it quite me I bought another, Its still in there. When I specked a clutch for my 422 cubed small block Duster 3.23 gears and a TKO 5 speed I went with the surprise C/F D/F in a corvette size OH and an aluminum flywheel. I am no less mean to this clutch. When I changed to a 4 speed in our family's toy truck meaning everyone drives it YEP you guessed it C/F D/F. Im not an advertiser I wont brag on a product unless it can with stand a significant amount of abuse... C/F D/F It sucks changing clutches so I buy what has worked for me..
If you want to know what breaks PM me ILL tell you what I have broke and what didnt work for me.

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