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collapsed column ?
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02/08/15 07:27 PM
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My steering column was binding, so i took it out and sorted the problem but i think i might have collapsed the column tapping the top bearing into the housing to get the circlip on. The car has power steering when i fitted the pot coupler it's almost touching the outer casing. See pic.
69 Dart GTS 440 mopar .590 cam, Edelbrock heads, 3200#
best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft
best 60ft 1.36
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Re: collapsed column ?
[Re: PossessedDuster]
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02/08/15 08:25 PM
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You are taking to a total novice when it comes to steering columns, i've fixed horns and fitted turn signal switches and that's about it. I didn't even know the column was collapsible untill i googled it today. Thanks the vid is very thorough, i will pull the shaft out tomorrow to see what's happened. If i can pull it apart will it be held by the brackets ?
Mick
69 Dart GTS 440 mopar .590 cam, Edelbrock heads, 3200#
best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft
best 60ft 1.36
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Re: collapsed column ?
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02/08/15 11:00 PM
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Slide it back out to where it needs to be when you install it and it will be fine. 
Though it may rattle ??? since he has broken the pins ...
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Re: collapsed column ?
[Re: JohnRR]
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02/08/15 11:08 PM
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The round white neoprene areas? I've slid them in and out and actually changed a few around at the bottom to go power to manual with no issues. They are usually so tight they're tough to move. they damn sure shouldn't rattle.
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Re: collapsed column ?
[Re: RSNOMO]
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02/09/15 10:57 AM
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After getting the column to the proper dimension, I used brass screws in place of the 'plastic'...
This is a no no. The plastic pins are used so the steering column will collapse in a frontal collision and not drive the steering column into the driver. Brass pins would defeat the purpose.
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Re: collapsed column ?
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02/09/15 11:56 AM
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Does anyone know the length of a 73 power steering shaft in an A body ?
69 Dart GTS 440 mopar .590 cam, Edelbrock heads, 3200#
best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft
best 60ft 1.36
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Re: collapsed column ?
[Re: fastmark]
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02/09/15 01:05 PM
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After getting the column to the proper dimension, I used brass screws in place of the 'plastic'...
This is a no no. The plastic pins are used so the steering column will collapse in a frontal collision and not drive the steering column into the driver. Brass pins would defeat the purpose.
 plastic only, no metal pins/screws.
I found plastic roll pins in the wall of bins at my Ace hardware store. Used them when I extended a PS column to use on a manual steering box.
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Re: collapsed column ?
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02/09/15 05:34 PM
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I've pulled the shaft out and pulled it to where it looks close, i thought they were just a thin round plastic pin but it's like a block of plastic, so it's not easy to see where it sheared because it's just took the top of the pins, there's a mark on the column where the clean metal starts and finishes and the blocks are visible through the holes, so i've aligned it to that but not put anything in to hold it, i'm going to put it back in tomorrow, i've marked the flat spline on the box and the pot coupler, i will put the horn ring on when the wheels are straight ahead and touch wood it might all work.
Mick
69 Dart GTS 440 mopar .590 cam, Edelbrock heads, 3200#
best et 6.45, 106.78, 10.14, 132.88 mph, 1.47 60ft
best 60ft 1.36
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Re: collapsed column ?
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02/09/15 08:40 PM
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I've pulled the shaft out and pulled it to where it looks close, i thought they were just a thin round plastic pin but it's like a block of plastic, so it's not easy to see where it sheared because it's just took the top of the pins, there's a mark on the column where the clean metal starts and finishes and the blocks are visible through the holes, so i've aligned it to that but not put anything in to hold it, i'm going to put it back in tomorrow, i've marked the flat spline on the box and the pot coupler, i will put the horn ring on when the wheels are straight ahead and touch wood it might all work.
Mick
You do whatever yer comfortable with...
If you've aligned the 'witness marks', you can now see there really isn't that much travel on 'impact'...
I have no doubt that if I get into a substantial front-end crash, there's gonna be a lot more to worry about than the shear point of tiny brass screws...
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Re: collapsed column ?
[Re: Pntastar69]
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02/09/15 08:45 PM
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No plastic shear pins? Asking for trouble.
Please explain...
Read fastmark's reply above.
Not the same in reverse.
Lack of "pins" will not defeat the ease of collapsability of the column like a metal screw/pin will.
The plastic injected into the joint between the 2 pieces of the column shaft was there to hold it in the correct position for the building of the car on the assembly line.
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Re: collapsed column ?
[Re: RSNOMO]
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02/09/15 08:51 PM
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You do whatever yer comfortable with...
If you've aligned the 'witness marks', you can now see there really isn't that much travel on 'impact'...
I have no doubt that if I get into a substantial front-end crash, the brass will shear before the column impales me...
The collapse comes from the "caged" area of the column tube, the shaft is just along for the ride and isnt there to provide any real resistance to the collapse. A brass pin/screw is going to add to the force required to collapse the column.
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