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Re: Outdated tire questions?
[Re: jose jones]
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01/22/15 05:33 PM
01/22/15 05:33 PM
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poorboy
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You guys are playing roulette with your life and your prized Mopar's running tires over 4 years old  I had a set on a B-Body that were 10 years old with all their tread, On the way to a Mopar show in Phoenix the driver side front BFG threw a chunk of tread off the tire about the size of a softball and about destroyed the front fender. NEVER AGAIN will I run old tires on anything.Don't gamble with your life on old tires
There is a pretty big difference between 4 year old tires and tires that failed at 10 years old.
I suspect the tire manufacturer has as much influence on how long a tire lives as any other factors. Probably how the tire was used (or abused) comes in 2nd concerning tire failure, then probably followed by tire care. We have all seen newer then 3 year old tires fail.
Several tire manufacturers have had known quality issues for a few years (Firestone comes to mind) and high speed, curb rubbing, low inflation, sun baking, parked with weight on the same spot without moving for years, and burn outs tend to shorten tire life. The issue with used tires is you usually don't know the tires history.
I would trust older tires that have passed visual inspection that I know have been regularly used and well cared for before I would trust new tires that can't be balanced, take a lot of weight to balance, or are out of round.
The Michelin tires on my coupe were 9 years old when I put them on, 4 years ago. I knew where they came from, all 4 took less the an ounce (total) to balance, and they looked great. They are getting up there in miles and the thread is wearing down, I will give them a very good visual inspection again this year, and I will probably be replacing them after this summer. I have more trust in them then I do the 4 year old tires on my wife's car. Those will probably be replaced this summer.
I believe the 5 year tire replacement deal is a result of a few companies covering up poor quality built tires 5-8 years ago, and they are using the tire age as an excuse. The advantage to them is now the original quality can be cut back, and they get to sell more tires without repercussions from the poor quality. Years ago, you fully expected to have good tires until you wore the thread off of them, now the are suppose to be junk in 5 years. I suppose the next step is that the tires will go bald in 50,000 miles or 6 years, we will all be happy?
The tire deal is kind of like major household appliances. Years ago, major appliances were expected to last 20-25 years. Then the cut the quality across the board, and the life expectancy dropped to 4-5 years. These days, if major appliances last 8-10 years we think they are great. Our expectations have been lowered. Gene
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Re: Outdated tire questions?
[Re: poorboy]
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01/22/15 06:31 PM
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Grizzly
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Never had a flat. Rotated once a year. Balance on the inside only. No more weight than the width of a nickel. As of today: 142,000 miles on them, 7 years old. That's a Michelin for You.  You have no worries. 
Mo' Farts
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Re: Outdated tire questions?
[Re: Grizzly]
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01/22/15 08:09 PM
01/22/15 08:09 PM
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SHELBY TWP,,MICHIGAN
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Most tire stores wont even put a tire on a wheel for you if its over 7 years old...
1972 Road Runner / GTX 440 4spd Dana 3.54 Just about to turn 26K original miles..
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Re: Outdated tire questions?
[Re: ademon]
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01/23/15 12:39 AM
01/23/15 12:39 AM
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Marlboro, NY, USA
Rick_Ehrenberg
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My buddy had some mint looking 15yo tires on his car maybe a few thousand miles on them tops. Rear DS came apart at about 60mph on the expressway totaling the whole quarter panel . They also go bad on the inside and separate from the cords.
Virtually the same thing happened to me recently on my old B-van. Tires had tons of tread left but were 10+ years old. It was ugly, and a bit scary.
Rick
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Re: Outdated tire questions?
[Re: Grizzly]
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01/23/15 04:22 AM
01/23/15 04:22 AM
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Missouri
MOBodyman
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Never had a flat.
Rotated once a year.
Balance on the inside only. No more weight than the width of a nickel.
As of today: 142,000 miles on them, 7 years old.
That's a Michelin for You. You have no worries.
How did you ever get that kind of mileage out of a tire....any tire?
When I bought my new 2005 r/c short bed 2wd Dodge truck, I was happy that it came with Michelins as I had always heard how may miles everyone got out of them. Yeah right....26,000 on them and they were worn out and out of round.  They were kept properly inflated and rotated every 6,000 miles, truck sat in a dark garage when it wasn't driven. Don't know how I could have taken any better care of them. I got about the same mileage out of the Generals I put on it next. The next set was 10 p/r Continentals. I think they would have lasted better but I sold the truck when they had about 12k on them.
I think my 2012 Ram 4x4 had GoodYear tires on it from the factory, they didn't last 30k either. I am now alternating between a set of rough tread 10 plys for the winter and a set of less agressive 10 plys for the summer. I'm hoping for longer life but am skeptical right now.
At least 99% (or more) of my driving is on pavement, maybe I don't slow enough for the corners??
Dallas
2012 Rallye Redline Challenger, 1st new car!
2010 Ram 1500 4wd HEMI-hauler
2014 Dodge Dart-gas saver
4 projects and a bunch of parts cars, losing interest since buying the Challenger lol
1969 Dodge Coronet 500-'gonna fix 'er up someday!'
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Re: Outdated tire questions?
[Re: MOBodyman]
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01/24/15 06:23 PM
01/24/15 06:23 PM
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denfireguy
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Never had a flat.
Rotated once a year.
Balance on the inside only. No more weight than the width of a nickel.
As of today: 142,000 miles on them, 7 years old.
That's a Michelin for You. You have no worries.
How did you ever get that kind of mileage out of a tire....any tire?
When I bought my new 2005 r/c short bed 2wd Dodge truck, I was happy that it came with Michelins as I had always heard how may miles everyone got out of them. Yeah right....26,000 on them and they were worn out and out of round. They were kept properly inflated and rotated every 6,000 miles, truck sat in a dark garage when it wasn't driven. Don't know how I could have taken any better care of them. I got about the same mileage out of the Generals I put on it next. The next set was 10 p/r Continentals. I think they would have lasted better but I sold the truck when they had about 12k on them.
I think my 2012 Ram 4x4 had GoodYear tires on it from the factory, they didn't last 30k either. I am now alternating between a set of rough tread 10 plys for the winter and a set of less agressive 10 plys for the summer. I'm hoping for longer life but am skeptical right now.
At least 99% (or more) of my driving is on pavement, maybe I don't slow enough for the corners??
Dallas
I found a huge difference in quality between the Michelins that were OEM and the ones you buy at your local tire store. My 89 Plymouth Acclaim LX came with Michelins with H speed rating. I cannot remember the name. Mine also started showing wear issues at 28K miles. I went to the local Big O store and looked at the same named tire and it was radically different. While the speed rating and traction ratings on the tires were the same, the wear rating was different and much better on the tire in the showroom. Of course the tire salesman was quick to explain that these were better tires than the ones that came on the car and that Michelin made knock offs of their own tires for OEM use. I did not believe him. But the tires I bought that day lasted for over 80,000 miles, nearly three as times as long. I still don't totally believe him but the tires were still on the car when I sold it.
Craig
2014 Ram 1500 Laramie, 73 Cuda
Previous mopars: 62 Valiant, 65 Fury III, 68 Fury III, 72 Satellite, 74 Satellite, 89 Acclaim, 98 Caravan, 2003 Durango
Only previous Non-Mopar: Schwinn Tornado
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Re: Outdated tire questions?
[Re: denfireguy]
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01/24/15 09:00 PM
01/24/15 09:00 PM
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Benton, IL.
DaveRS23
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Never had a flat.
Rotated once a year.
Balance on the inside only. No more weight than the width of a nickel.
As of today: 142,000 miles on them, 7 years old.
That's a Michelin for You. You have no worries.
How did you ever get that kind of mileage out of a tire....any tire?
When I bought my new 2005 r/c short bed 2wd Dodge truck, I was happy that it came with Michelins as I had always heard how may miles everyone got out of them. Yeah right....26,000 on them and they were worn out and out of round. They were kept properly inflated and rotated every 6,000 miles, truck sat in a dark garage when it wasn't driven. Don't know how I could have taken any better care of them. I got about the same mileage out of the Generals I put on it next. The next set was 10 p/r Continentals. I think they would have lasted better but I sold the truck when they had about 12k on them.
I think my 2012 Ram 4x4 had GoodYear tires on it from the factory, they didn't last 30k either. I am now alternating between a set of rough tread 10 plys for the winter and a set of less agressive 10 plys for the summer. I'm hoping for longer life but am skeptical right now.
At least 99% (or more) of my driving is on pavement, maybe I don't slow enough for the corners??
Dallas
I found a huge difference in quality between the Michelins that were OEM and the ones you buy at your local tire store. My 89 Plymouth Acclaim LX came with Michelins with H speed rating. I cannot remember the name. Mine also started showing wear issues at 28K miles. I went to the local Big O store and looked at the same named tire and it was radically different. While the speed rating and traction ratings on the tires were the same, the wear rating was different and much better on the tire in the showroom. Of course the tire salesman was quick to explain that these were better tires than the ones that came on the car and that Michelin made knock offs of their own tires for OEM use. I did not believe him. But the tires I bought that day lasted for over 80,000 miles, nearly three as times as long. I still don't totally believe him but the tires were still on the car when I sold it.
Craig
Most, if not all tire manufacturers have their own front-line tires but also build tires for the mass marketers and the car manufacturers. The ones built for the Wal-Marts of the world and the car companies are spec'd by the buyers.
And they are very different tires.
Master, again and still
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Re: Outdated tire questions?
[Re: denfireguy]
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01/25/15 01:01 AM
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Marlboro, NY, USA
Rick_Ehrenberg
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I found a huge difference in quality between the Michelins that were OEM and the ones you buy at your local tire store. My 89 Plymouth Acclaim LX came with Michelins with H speed rating. I cannot remember the name. Mine also started showing wear issues at 28K miles. I went to the local Big O store and looked at the same named tire and it was radically different. While the speed rating and traction ratings on the tires were the same, the wear rating was different and much better on the tire in the showroom. Of course the tire salesman was quick to explain that these were better tires than the ones that came on the car and that Michelin made knock offs of their own tires for OEM use. I did not believe him. But the tires I bought that day lasted for over 80,000 miles, nearly three as times as long. I still don't totally believe him but the tires were still on the car when I sold it.
Craig
Grossly simplified: It is pretty much a pure inverse relationship: The harder the rubber, the higher the treadwear number & the longer they last, but, alas, the less grippy they are.
For my use (I like the twisties), I'd never buy anything rated more than treadwear 200.
Just my 2¢ worth.
Rick
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Re: Outdated tire questions?
[Re: Rick_Ehrenberg]
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01/25/15 11:40 AM
01/25/15 11:40 AM
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DaveRS23
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One important point on those wear ratings. Those ratings are for comparison within that brand of tire only, not across all brands. Which is why you do not hear of them being referenced much.
Master, again and still
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Re: Outdated tire questions?
[Re: DaveRS23]
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01/25/15 01:56 PM
01/25/15 01:56 PM
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Salem
Grizzly
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Dallas, Craig has answered the question pretty good, and I will add: There is a "TPC" spec on tires. This relates to how much money the OEM wants to spend on outfitting their vehicles. It's a long story to get into but, I found it relates to the warranty period. If a new truck comes with 50,000 mile warranty, the OEM tires will last less. If you watch these guys from year to year, and they put a 100,000 mile warranty on the same vehicle you will notice they change the rubber and the tires last longer. How did I do it with my tires? My OEM Goodyears made it 70,000 miles and I don't speed, don't punch it from every red light, I'm not hard on the brakes, and I have all open road and no city to deal with. Most sets of tires I get 60,000 or so. I pulled a set of Michelin LTX's off of my new '02 2500 Diesel and put them on my 1/2 ton work truck (different truck than above): they went over 100,000 miles. With that little experiment, instead of putting on "P" tires, I went with a 3/4 ton spec tire. "E's" or something like that, I'd have to go out and look at them to be sure. And, this seems to be working, so I'm going to keep it up.  I paid dearly for them though. When they first came out I think they were close to $380 a tire (285's) mounted, balanced and tax. One of these tires is going to get hung on my garage wall with the final mileage written on it.  No doubt about it, I'm getting another set before Michelin discontinues them.
Mo' Farts
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Re: Outdated tire questions?
[Re: Paul_Fancsali]
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01/25/15 11:54 PM
01/25/15 11:54 PM
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SHELBY TWP,,MICHIGAN
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Truck guys don't forget to check your spare tire...I bought a brand new 2011 truck that has Goodyears all the way around and once under the vehicle I noticed the brand new spare was dry rotted and cracked all the way around the steel wheel...It was a Michelin...Truck did not have even 500 miles on it yet!! Dealer had no problem replacing it and acted pretty shocked by it as well..
1972 Road Runner / GTX 440 4spd Dana 3.54 Just about to turn 26K original miles..
A boat, a GMC truck, some Craftsman Tools, LOTS of Zombie Protection, and a few Goldfish..
If you love someone set them free..
If they come back it means nobody else wanted them either..!!
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Re: Outdated tire questions?
[Re: 62maxwgn]
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01/26/15 12:22 AM
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mopar346
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20 + years old,5,700 miles,no rot,look like new,pitch them ??
If you plan on driving over 10 miles an hour then yes. What is your quarters worth? Much less blood and bones.
Simple fact is people who don't choice to believe at this point with as much evidence as there is will not believe due to anything that is said. When it happens to them, then they will believe and become the spokes person and hopefully it wont cost them too much for the lesson. I chose to err on the side of caution, tires aren't as much as paint work, besides original metal is priceless. [list]
Careful, your character's showing!
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Re: Outdated tire questions?
[Re: 72N96RR]
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01/26/15 12:25 AM
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Another thing you might note.......where are the guys saying "replace them every 4 years" live..... yep! the f'n desert!! I HATE tires... last set of Michelin LTX's I had on my truck got canned with 8/32 tread still on them. They were five years old and literally crumbling apart. I don't drive the truck that much, mostly to pull the racecar or boat. Sits outside most of the time. It's dry.... hotter than the sun... great place for tires. Even worse subject? trailer tires. My old enclosed had 15" wheels and after trying numerous brands and plys, I came to the realization that if I wanted to tow with confidence..... replace them every two years. Luckily after shredding 4 different tires, I have yet to sustain substantial damage to the trailer.... knock on wood. My recent trailer has 16" wheels. Much more tire selection. Original tires lasted 4 years and were actually worn down in the tread.....but it lived most of it's life in South Dakota. It was a treat to replace a set of tires that actually looked worn. Time will tell how long these will last.... but I'm betting I'll be shopping for tires again in two years.  truck spare tire.... yeah, that got me too. When one of the above mentioned LTX's had a belt separate, I pulled over to change it and lowered down the spare and it hit me.... that is one old tire.... 45 miles from home, made it 40 and chunks of the sidewall were suddenly flying off. Pulled over again, reinstalled the separating tire, and limped my way home. Did I mention I hate tires?? Alot depends where you live. Up north we'd drive them till they dropped. In the heat, whole different ball game.
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