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12/23/08 11:12 PM
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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing
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12/23/08 11:55 PM
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Your joking...right. There is nothing EASY about .4 pro tree racing. Most yahoos, as you call them will be a day late. Have you ever actually raced on a pro tree. If you have and were that good, somebody will give you a car to drive. The 5.0 6.0 and 7.0 classes around here are deadly. If you are not .00s or teens and dead on, you are dead meat.
Monte
If pro tree is so much harder then full tree why do 99% of S/C, S/G, Super Pro, and any other bracket racers leave off the top bulb with a delay box... It's because it's easier, and more consistant.
And I have seen it first hand. They tried going to pro tree in NMCA NSS a few years ago. Like I said, every yahoo that couldn't find their butt on a full tree, all of the sudden had a chance...
I don't run down in your index stuff, but you kind of make my point for me.
"If you are not .00s or teens and dead on, you are dead meat."
How hard can it be if a lot of guys are going 00's and teens every time. Even the best foot brakers in the world aren't that good on a full tree day in day out.
The only pro tree red lights you ever see, is when someone is guessing because they can't run the number to compete...Like I said, it would take all of the starting line competition out of it.
I'm fine with index racing, I've been involved with it for over 15 years. Moving the car to hit the number without electronics can be challenging. (Especially in late rounds during hot lapping) Nothing wrong with that.
And just to be clear, I'm talking about the pro and sportsman classes that draw the large majority of the cars. I just don't see how weaking existing classes would help the sport. That means lower payouts in the existing classes to cover the new ones.
It was the demise of the NSCA...trying to please everyone...
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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing
[Re: dizuster]
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12/24/08 12:03 AM
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Your joking...right. There is nothing EASY about .4 pro tree racing. Most yahoos, as you call them will be a day late. Have you ever actually raced on a pro tree. If you have and were that good, somebody will give you a car to drive. The 5.0 6.0 and 7.0 classes around here are deadly. If you are not .00s or teens and dead on, you are dead meat.
Monte
If pro tree is so much harder then full tree why do 99% of S/C, S/G, Super Pro, and any other bracket racers leave off the top bulb with a delay box... It's because it's easier, and more consistant.
And I have seen it first hand. They tried going to pro tree in NMCA NSS a few years ago. Like I said, every yahoo that couldn't find their butt on a full tree, all of the sudden had a chance...
I don't run down in your index stuff, but you kind of make my point for me.
"If you are not .00s or teens and dead on, you are dead meat."
How hard can it be if a lot of guys are going 00's and teens every time. Even the best foot brakers in the world aren't that good on a full tree day in day out.
The only pro tree red lights you ever see, is when someone is guessing because they can't run the number to compete...Like I said, it would take all of the starting line competition out of it.
I'm fine with index racing, I've been involved with it for over 15 years. Moving the car to hit the number without electronics can be challenging. (Especially in late rounds during hot lapping) Nothing wrong with that.
And just to be clear, I'm talking about the pro and sportsman classes that draw the large majority of the cars. I just don't see how weaking existing classes would help the sport. That means lower payouts in the existing classes to cover the new ones.
It was the demise of the NSCA...trying to please everyone...
you have a lot to learn 
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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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12/24/08 12:12 AM
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This tread is very interesting. I think Bracket racing is kindoff boring and I believe the only way of Drag racing is heads up. This is how we do it in Peru: 10 to 10.50 Class A 10.51 to 10.99 Class B 11.00 to 11.50 class C 11.51 to 11.99 Class D 12.00 to 12.50 Class E You guys here have faster cars so you can do 9 and 8 seconds following this logic. So when the track is open, you have 3 passes to test your car and classify. Then everything stops for half an hour and the race begins with the slowest class working the way up to the fastest class. You are only able to reclassify one time. 
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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing
[Re: Quicktree]
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12/24/08 12:34 AM
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I cannot believe what I just read...BTW where I come from NOT being able to go red is a bad thing...Glad to hear there is no starting line competition in S/G, looks like I can start collecting my winnings soon.
BTW my experience with .400 Pro Tree racing in many of the guys in the Gas classes has been quite the opposite. Most of the lights I have seen from all but the best guys with good working cars are typically in the .080's or worse.
But then again no matter whether it is top bulb or bottom you had better be leaving off the first flash if not you are doing it wrong. But what do I know...
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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing
[Re: rowin4]
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12/24/08 12:50 AM
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I frankly dont want it both ways...Just seems like a way to attract some spectators as you can bill it as heads up. Maybe a monthly program, who knows. As for the guys that dont make it in, thats racing. BTW in the All out format they only toss those who clearly are capapble of going faster and messed up by doing so for whatever reason. Might be a good concept for someone to work on as a promoter..All I am saying.
Open Comp stuff is another format that I would think would be more appealing. A couple of qualifying passes, knock off a tenth and then viola you have a dial in for the race that CANNOT change. At least it is more like heads up stuff to me.
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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing
[Re: Quicktree]
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12/24/08 12:51 AM
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Dude do you even have a car.You are joking right? Quote:
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Your joking...right. There is nothing EASY about .4 pro tree racing. Most yahoos, as you call them will be a day late. Have you ever actually raced on a pro tree. If you have and were that good, somebody will give you a car to drive. The 5.0 6.0 and 7.0 classes around here are deadly. If you are not .00s or teens and dead on, you are dead meat.
Monte
If pro tree is so much harder then full tree why do 99% of S/C, S/G, Super Pro, and any other bracket racers leave off the top bulb with a delay box... It's because it's easier, and more consistant.
And I have seen it first hand. They tried going to pro tree in NMCA NSS a few years ago. Like I said, every yahoo that couldn't find their butt on a full tree, all of the sudden had a chance...
I don't run down in your index stuff, but you kind of make my point for me.
"If you are not .00s or teens and dead on, you are dead meat."
How hard can it be if a lot of guys are going 00's and teens every time. Even the best foot brakers in the world aren't that good on a full tree day in day out.
The only pro tree red lights you ever see, is when someone is guessing because they can't run the number to compete...Like I said, it would take all of the starting line competition out of it.
I'm fine with index racing, I've been involved with it for over 15 years. Moving the car to hit the number without electronics can be challenging. (Especially in late rounds during hot lapping) Nothing wrong with that.
And just to be clear, I'm talking about the pro and sportsman classes that draw the large majority of the cars. I just don't see how weaking existing classes would help the sport. That means lower payouts in the existing classes to cover the new ones.
It was the demise of the NSCA...trying to please everyone...
you have a lot to learn
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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing
[Re: 8secDart]
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12/24/08 01:34 AM
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Dude do you even have a car.You are joking right?
Nope "Dude" I don't even own a car, but I watch pinks every week... 
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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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12/24/08 01:45 AM
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Glad to hear there is no starting line competition in S/G, looks like I can start collecting my winnings soon.
Have you won more S/G races at the starting line, or the finish line?...
No offense ment at all to S/C S/G racers. They are among the best bracket racers in the world. But those guys win on finish line driving more often then starting line driving... I just looked at the last NHRA national event of the year. The average S/G winning light was .018, not much room to "tree" someone to a win...
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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing
[Re: dizuster]
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12/24/08 02:05 AM
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WOW....First off S/G on a Divisional and National level is run on a .385 tree, NOT a .400 tree...Do the MATH. If you can hit the tree there is no race at the stripe period. Since you have a ND handy why dont you compare winning lights to loosing ones? Tell me how many of the loosers broke out. Then again I suspect you may think .90 racers set their cars up to run .90.
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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing
[Re: 1976 Aspen]
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12/24/08 02:34 AM
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Well I guess the simple answer would be a delay box and throttle stop. Delay box for the tree and t stop to run the number. Guess maybe I dont understand the question.
I am no expert by any means, just trying to make a point. Anyone asking me for advice on how to win in S/G needs to have their head examined. Heck for the last two years I have been lucky to even have the car at the track.
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"It's never wrong to do the right thing"
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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing
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12/24/08 05:39 AM
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it's still bracket racing if you can break out no matter how you do it.
thats how i see it .
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Re: Thinking About Heads Up Racing
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12/24/08 09:22 AM
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As a kid, my Dad I used to go to Lancaster Dragway every Friday night, normal bracket program, the stands would be packed. Since I started racing in the late 80's
Lancaster in NY? 
Here is my take on the 10.5 stuff and the high dollar heads up stuff.......Looks like fun...I can't afford it. So if nobody wants to come see me bracket race so be it...the stands have never been filled before and most tracks can still make it on the race program if they are well run and they have some special shows to attract fans 
In NY Eric.. I havent been there in years, I think the last time was 1990. You have raced there recently, I have no idea what its like now.
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