Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: ProStDodge]
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The rule was not brought about because "it sounded good". It was found in testing by SFI that the belts and/or the thread used deteriorated with age and no longer passed the stress loads required to pass the SFI certification at some point in time.
So unless the seat belt manufacturers can develop a seat belt which will pass the tests for 5 years, and submit them to SFI, you can sign all the petitions you want and it will not change the rule.
Sorry i have a real hard time believing this. My safety harness in the steel mill went thru some crazy testing every year. These were exposed to chemicals, lime, acids, grease, water, heat, and about everything else you can think of. 2 years is crazy dumb.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: ProStDodge]
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01/19/15 01:00 AM
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The rule was not brought about because "it sounded good". It was found in testing by SFI that the belts and/or the thread used deteriorated with age and no longer passed the stress loads required to pass the SFI certification at some point in time.
So unless the seat belt manufacturers can develop a seat belt which will pass the tests for 5 years, and submit them to SFI, you can sign all the petitions you want and it will not change the rule.
The real reason NHRA doesn't use the same specs and dates NASCAR uses is the way I was told was that when Lee Shepard got killed testing a long time ago was that NHRA and the local track official thought he had slipped out of the shoulder belts due to there age and amount of time they had been exposed to U.V rays from daylight racing. I heard second hand from the racers grapevine by some of the people who claimed to be there that day that he and his partners had been doing a lot of 60 ft. testing at a close by local track in OK on there way to the Gatornationals the year he died. He had made one full run in the morning and then they did a bunch of 60 ft. only testing until the last run of the day. The wind had been blowing across the track pretty bad all day and it was said that he may have forgotten to put on or tighten the shoulder harnesses before making that last run Bottom line is he was killed in that accident and NHRA went to the two year rule right after that. BTW, isn't our belts three inches wide Maybe I should go measure mine I remember when they outlawed two inch belts and added the crotch strap after Bob Lambeck crashed his old Pro Stocker at OCIR and slid out of the four point harnesses require back then, he slid up under the dash and broke his pelvis and other bones Bill Bagshaw crash his Pro tock Arrow at Irwindale with the crotch strap several years after that, he was very sore and walking bowlegged for several weeks but nothing got broken I never want to test the safety gear or any other crash related hardware at the track, never ever
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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01/19/15 02:03 AM
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I did some testing on 2" wide belts at work... even a 2" belt WILL hold more pressure than a human body can withstand before the belt fails... the testing Captain Nemo did should have been good enough to prove even some NASTY looking old belts wouldnt fail the 3" material... EVERY failure he had in his testing failed the hardware...(BIG NOTE) we dont have to replace hardware until after the 5th re-cert... just the belt material gets replaced... NHRA OR SFI should try testing once in a while
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: Thumperdart]
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01/19/15 12:10 PM
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FWIW Nascar belts that are 5 year are NOT SFI approved. They are FIA approved. Also ALL SFI belts in ANY sanctioning body are good for two years, not just drag racing. Maybe your local dirt track guys can use them forever but most every sanctioning body out there has the same belt rule. Not unlike outlaw(non sactioned)drag tracks could care less about safety for the most part.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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01/19/15 12:51 PM
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I signed,it may take us refusing to run at NHRA tracks for a year or two to make them listen.I have yet to have any of my cars checked at the track much less the seat belt date checked!If I buy a set of belts and after 6 months they looked worn,I have enough Daymn sense to know they need changing and will change them rather the date is out are not. NHRA seat belt rules =BS!
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: MRMOPAR622]
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01/19/15 01:00 PM
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I signed,it may take us refusing to run at NHRA tracks for a year or two to make them listen.I have yet to have any of my cars checked at the track much less the seat belt date checked!If I buy a set of belts and after 6 months they looked worn,I have enough Daymn sense to know they need changing and will change them rather the date is out are not. NHRA seat belt rules =BS!
Basically 2 things get checked each time I hit the tech.... seat belt date and helmet... beyond that they really dont check much if anything... US131 checks that and they make SURE the engine dies when they hit the master
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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Some of us have no choice but to run NHRA tracks as there are no others. Like out west here, it is NHRA or find a new hobby.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: sixpackgut]
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My worst fear came true.. I signed the petition and now I'm getting bombarded with (spam) email for other causes..
you missed unchecking the little box
Not me... it just brought up another page that you had to hit submit so your name didnt show
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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3459 signed so far. At least that's to many for NHRA to totally ignore. May not help but it sure as heck can't hurt.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: Dart Racer]
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01/19/15 04:23 PM
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Signed... and hoping
Signed as well. BTW Sweet Dart, Dart_racer
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: Dart Racer]
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01/19/15 04:36 PM
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Good luck and all that, but in reality you have 3 choices. Put belts in every 2 years, run at outlaw tracks or stay home. It's their playground, their rules.
I'm not a big cheerleader for NHRA, but I've raced at tracks with zero tech and I've done tech at an NHRA track. Both experiences were often times very scary. With everything else that it takes to go racing, a lousy set of belts is way down the list of crap for me to lose sleep over. They're a consumable, like tires, gaskets, fuel, oil.
Without safety being a priority, there is no insurance. Without insurance, there is no racing. Why do you think your new street car has all the safety devices and designs built in? Lawyers and insurance companies.
Last edited by CMcAllister; 01/19/15 04:39 PM.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: CMcAllister]
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01/19/15 07:21 PM
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Good luck and all that, but in reality you have 3 choices. Put belts in every 2 years, run at outlaw tracks or stay home. It's their playground, their rules.
I'm not a big cheerleader for NHRA, but I've raced at tracks with zero tech and I've done tech at an NHRA track. Both experiences were often times very scary. With everything else that it takes to go racing, a lousy set of belts is way down the list of crap for me to lose sleep over. They're a consumable, like tires, gaskets, fuel, oil.
Without safety being a priority, there is no insurance. Without insurance, there is no racing. Why do you think your new street car has all the safety devices and designs built in? Lawyers and insurance companies.
This right here. This rule has been this way for years and is not going to be changed. Guys have class cars that cost up to 100k and complaining about a $150 set of belts every two years...........ok then. You want to start a petition, how about something that you MIGHT actually have a chance with.........like maybe lower entry fees for sportsman classes.
I have NEVER understood the uproar over this deal
Monte
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