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Re: Neat Article on A W2 Small Block [Re: Street Monkies] #1729916 01/15/15 11:09 PM 01/15/15 11:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,894 Weddington, N.C. Streetwize master
Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,894 Weddington, N.C.	Check out the MRL lifters, I really like the tie bar design, I'm getting another set for my 414 because I'm not happy with the Morels WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: Neat Article on A W2 Small Block [Re: MattW] #1729917 01/15/15 11:28 PM 01/15/15 11:28 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	From what I read and I'm going from memory, is that the cross over tube was for high rpm applications anything over 7000 rpms. At that level the oil had a hard time making the 90deg turn and would cavitate the rods Matt I turn all my SBs over 7000 most of the time its over 8000.... some had the cross over, some didnt and I had just that 1 spin the bearing... I did blow up 1 engine on the top end.. that one had viper rods in it and I turned it to 7400-7600 and it tore that rod in half

Re: Neat Article on A W2 Small Block [Re: Streetwize] #1729918 01/16/15 12:01 AM 01/16/15 12:01 AM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 733 jacksonville,FLORIDA slammedR/T super stock
slammedR/T super stock Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 733 jacksonville,FLORIDA	Quote: Check out the MRL lifters, I really like the tie bar design, I'm getting another set for my 414 because I'm not happy with the Morels Love my MRL offset lifters; 8100rpm with zero issues Last edited by slammedR/T; 01/16/15 12:02 AM. 2000 Dakota R/T, 408 magnum, 727, Indy heads 1000cfm 4150 carb, 93 octane fuel. motor; 10.258 @ 132.78 200 shot; 9.262 @ 144.69 racemagnum

Re: Neat Article on A W2 Small Block [Re: slammedR/T] #1729919 01/16/15 12:09 AM 01/16/15 12:09 AM
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 161 In a house near you S Street Monkies OP member
Street Monkies OP member S Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 161 In a house near you	Thanks for the share slammedR/T

Re: Neat Article on A W2 Small Block [Re: Street Monkies] #1729920 01/16/15 02:42 PM 01/16/15 02:42 PM
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 161 In a house near you S Street Monkies OP member
Street Monkies OP member S Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 161 In a house near you	Any other members ever run offset lifters? I read some posts about some not having luck with them. They were running massive spring pressure and maybe not a good enough tie bar for the lifters?

Re: Neat Article on A W2 Small Block [Re: Street Monkies] #1729921 01/16/15 02:55 PM 01/16/15 02:55 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	I havent run offset lifters but I wouldnt mind using them on my W-5s so I can get a larger diameter PR into it... I need to have PR oiling due to using the TD multi short shaft rockers. plus I want the EDM hole for the wheel... right now this is the way I'm doing it with my W-2s on the 416 but I want to put the W-5s back on now that they are fixed... I'm not running a lot of spring pressure with 260# on seat(roller cam) and about 650# open.. this is on my street rod... I've never had a issue with the tie bars on the 59* stuff but I did break a tie bar on my 48* engine.. that was on its first pass.. that tie bar could have been defective, I dont know.. but that cost me $3500 to correct

Re: Neat Article on A W2 Small Block [Re: Street Monkies] #1729922 01/16/15 10:29 PM 01/16/15 10:29 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 733 jacksonville,FLORIDA slammedR/T super stock
slammedR/T super stock Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 733 jacksonville,FLORIDA	Quote: Any other members ever run offset lifters? I read some posts about some not having luck with them. They were running massive spring pressure and maybe not a good enough tie bar for the lifters? Yes, I had a set of comps that broke on me, went back to centers only but then MRL garaunteed me his offsets wouldn't break. He was right, now I have a 3/8" exhaust pushrod but still only a 5/16" pushrod. But with the offsets I can fit a 11/32" pushrod on the intake side now. 2000 Dakota R/T, 408 magnum, 727, Indy heads 1000cfm 4150 carb, 93 octane fuel. motor; 10.258 @ 132.78 200 shot; 9.262 @ 144.69 racemagnum

Re: Neat Article on A W2 Small Block [Re: slammedR/T] #1729923 01/17/15 04:47 PM 01/17/15 04:47 PM
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 161 In a house near you S Street Monkies OP member
Street Monkies OP member S Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 161 In a house near you	Interesting. The way race blocks are becoming harder to get and find and the cost. I've thought about the future and maybe being stuck with a stock block and doing modifications to it like they did back in the 70s. That's if like Ritter and some of the other people involved with blocks aren't around. They actually might be some of the last hope we have with race blocks. At some point of time who knows what's going to happen.

Re: Neat Article on A W2 Small Block [Re: Street Monkies] #1729924 01/17/15 07:40 PM 01/17/15 07:40 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,424 Kalispell Mt. H HotRodDave I Live Here
HotRodDave I Live Here H Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 12,424 Kalispell Mt.	I think the Magnum block is better than people give it credit for. It is not a race block but certainly stronger than an LA block and easy to go roller cam to boot. https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post8364810 I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!

Re: Neat Article on A W2 Small Block [Re: HotRodDave] #1729925 01/17/15 10:02 PM 01/17/15 10:02 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,894 Weddington, N.C. Streetwize master
Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,894 Weddington, N.C.	If you look closely it looks like the inside runner walls were welded in and then rounded back, it looks like a LOT of work was done inside the manifold of the motir in that article. You might think they might have said more about it than they did. The reason I noticed is im looking to find a worked SV like that. WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: Neat Article on A W2 Small Block [Re: Streetwize] #1729926 01/17/15 10:12 PM 01/17/15 10:12 PM
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 161 In a house near you S Street Monkies OP member
Street Monkies OP member S Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 161 In a house near you	Honestly I wasn't all that impressed with the work and that manifold. That's just my opinion. Interesting about the Magnum blocks.

Re: Neat Article on A W2 Small Block [Re: Street Monkies] #1729927 01/17/15 11:55 PM 01/17/15 11:55 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North RAMM super stock
RAMM super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: Honestly I wasn't all that impressed with the work and that manifold. That's just my opinion. Interesting about the Magnum blocks. What work weren't you impressed with? The manifold work or the whole build? The SV is actually a good manifold with the dividers thinned much more than the ones in the article. I don't know why they would be left so thick like that. J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Neat Article on A W2 Small Block [Re: HotRodDave] #1729928 01/18/15 03:32 AM 01/18/15 03:32 AM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 733 jacksonville,FLORIDA slammedR/T super stock
slammedR/T super stock Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 733 jacksonville,FLORIDA	Quote: I think the Magnum block is better than people give it credit for. It is not a race block but certainly stronger than an LA block and easy to go roller cam to boot. https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post8364810 Been preaching the magnum gospel for years brother glad to see we are converting new believers Last edited by slammedR/T; 01/18/15 03:32 AM. 2000 Dakota R/T, 408 magnum, 727, Indy heads 1000cfm 4150 carb, 93 octane fuel. motor; 10.258 @ 132.78 200 shot; 9.262 @ 144.69 racemagnum

Re: Neat Article on A W2 Small Block [Re: slammedR/T] #1729929 01/18/15 12:09 PM 01/18/15 12:09 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 1,522 Ste-Sophie, Quebec, Canada W Wedgeman pro stock
Wedgeman pro stock W Joined: May 2004 Posts: 1,522 Ste-Sophie, Quebec, Canada	I agree too !! Magnum blocks don't get enough credits... Slammed, I don't know the rockers on your 360-1 heads...what are they ? Tired of breking my Indys... Dan

Re: Neat Article on A W2 Small Block [Re: Streetwize] #1729930 01/18/15 12:41 PM 01/18/15 12:41 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,427 Toronto M mshred master
mshred master M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,427 Toronto	Quote: Inside of mine. We used the offset cup MRL lifters which helped straighten-out the intake pushrod angle quite a bit. What rockers are those Bobby? And how is the converter working in the rocky? Wish Mike at MRL would have mentioned the offset lifters to me, or atleast that they were coming. Told him my entire setup (Indy 360-2's) and he sold me the regular lifters, then literally like 2 weeks later I see a post of his about the offset lifters ready for sale....ah well. Pushrod angle on the intakes definitely looks better

Re: Neat Article on A W2 Small Block [Re: mshred] #1729931 01/18/15 03:23 PM 01/18/15 03:23 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada M MattW master
MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Quote: Quote: Inside of mine. We used the offset cup MRL lifters which helped straighten-out the intake pushrod angle quite a bit. What rockers are those Bobby? And how is the converter working in the rocky? Wish Mike at MRL would have mentioned the offset lifters to me, or atleast that they were coming. Told him my entire setup (Indy 360-2's) and he sold me the regular lifters, then literally like 2 weeks later I see a post of his about the offset lifters ready for sale....ah well. Pushrod angle on the intakes definitely looks better Isn't the offset just in the cup or is the whole lifter different. Matt

Re: Neat Article on A W2 Small Block [Re: MattW] #1729932 01/18/15 03:24 PM 01/18/15 03:24 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,427 Toronto M mshred master
mshred master M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,427 Toronto	Quote: Quote: Quote: Inside of mine. We used the offset cup MRL lifters which helped straighten-out the intake pushrod angle quite a bit. What rockers are those Bobby? And how is the converter working in the rocky? Wish Mike at MRL would have mentioned the offset lifters to me, or atleast that they were coming. Told him my entire setup (Indy 360-2's) and he sold me the regular lifters, then literally like 2 weeks later I see a post of his about the offset lifters ready for sale....ah well. Pushrod angle on the intakes definitely looks better Isn't the offset just in the cup or is the whole lifter different. Matt I believe just in the cup...But it would have helped in pushrod selection and straightening out the angle. Every little bit helps

Re: Neat Article on A W2 Small Block [Re: mshred] #1729933 01/18/15 03:43 PM 01/18/15 03:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,894 Weddington, N.C. Streetwize master
Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,894 Weddington, N.C.	It's just the cup inside the lifter housing. Makes a huge difference. What's worse about poor pushrod angle is when you take into account that each end of a pushrod also travels in an arc, so it's not just 'up and down'. I'm getting ready to get another set of just the straight ones this time. The Morel solid rollers I have in the 414 are the same long body as the hydraulic rollers in the article and the cup is way up high in the lifter bore. It makes for a shorter pushrod but it also makes the pushrod angle and arc travel even more extreme. Not so bad on a standard port head but very severe when dealing with a W2. WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: Neat Article on A W2 Small Block [Re: mshred] #1729934 01/18/15 04:12 PM 01/18/15 04:12 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada M MattW master
MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Inside of mine. We used the offset cup MRL lifters which helped straighten-out the intake pushrod angle quite a bit. What rockers are those Bobby? And how is the converter working in the rocky? Wish Mike at MRL would have mentioned the offset lifters to me, or atleast that they were coming. Told him my entire setup (Indy 360-2's) and he sold me the regular lifters, then literally like 2 weeks later I see a post of his about the offset lifters ready for sale....ah well. Pushrod angle on the intakes definitely looks better Isn't the offset just in the cup or is the whole lifter different. Matt I believe just in the cup...But it would have helped in pushrod selection and straightening out the angle. Every little bit helps Buy 16 cups? Can't be too expensive

Re: Neat Article on A W2 Small Block [Re: MattW] #1729935 01/18/15 04:23 PM 01/18/15 04:23 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	I would think that there is some sort of keyway or something to keep the cup from turning... they wouldnt care on the centered ones.. so there might be some difference in the lifter body...

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