Re: Best and worst suspension parts. Update
[Re: RylisPro]
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01/28/15 06:45 AM
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RylisPro
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I've been researching the quality of Moog parts and found this interesting video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8ZVahKc06oIt's about an off-road Toyota guy replacing his ball joints. In the video he states the Moog ball joint wore out early and the stud was able to spin around inside the ball. Well I checked out my ball joints and found out that was the design on the upper ball joint. Lower ball joint K783 on left, upper ball joint K772 on right. In this closer pic you can clearly that the K772 upper ball joint is a two piece design and has the potential to spin when worn out, like in the video. The lower ball joints K781/K783 have a one piece ball stud design. Needless to say I am not impressed and will be returning the Moog upper ball joints. I will just buy the Howe 22320 or 22320X instead. I think I will need to get the 2152 installation tool also? Not sure, will call Howe to confirm. I will post up pics when I get the parts in. The only problem is where to find a better lower Mopar ball joint than Moog or ProForged? I try really hard to not use Chinese parts. I feel that it's just plain un-Patriotic haha! I'll post up what I find
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Re: Best and worst suspension parts. Update
[Re: RylisPro]
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01/28/15 10:54 AM
01/28/15 10:54 AM
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Uhcoog1
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I use Raybestos professional grade. Limited research indicated pro grade is superior to the 'new' moog. I haven't had any issues yet with roughly 6,500 miles, thirty 20 min HPDE sessions, and a 118 mile open road race. Everything is still tight.
-'02 Dodge Viper Ex-World Challenge racecar -'73 Duster, 6.1 based 392 hilborn hemi, tko600, full floater rear 9", Hellwig custom bars, viper brakes, built for road course
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Re: Best and worst suspension parts. Update
[Re: mopardamo]
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01/29/15 02:15 AM
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72Swinger
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Mine are Moog I bought probably 10-11 years ago. Those Howe uppers look real stout, wish they could make us some lowers.
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: Best and worst suspension parts. Update
[Re: 72Swinger]
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01/29/15 01:40 PM
01/29/15 01:40 PM
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Mopar Mitch
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"Re-boxing" is rather common in the aftermarket, but also selectively done, as well as selectively allowed by different distributor customers. Its a way to take over competitor's inventory that is pre-determined (by interchange lists) what's basically an equal product -- in most applications -- between various manufacturere. However, that can be questionable, and... mis-packaging occasionally happens. The aftermarket industry has its risks whenever reboxing occurs -- some of the better known manufacturers will not do it, yet some others do it often.
Mopar Mitch
"Road racers and autocrossers go in deeper and come out harder!"... and rain never stops us from having fun with our cars... in fact, it makes us better drivers!
Check out MOPAR ACTION MAGAZINE, August 2006 issue for feature article and specs on my autocross T/A!
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Re: Best and worst suspension parts. Update
[Re: RylisPro]
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01/30/15 01:59 AM
01/30/15 01:59 AM
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RylisPro
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I got the Howe 22320 upper ball joints in. The ball joint boots 22399 comes separately. I talked to the tech guy from Howe and he said that the 22320X extra-duty version was for "high mis-alignment" applications and the ones I got were plenty strong for road race usage. First impression is how smooth the ball joint articulation is. If I hold the ball joint horizontally the stud just slowly drops from up to down. With the Moog ball joint I can't hardly move the joint with my bare hands. The Howe on the left is a one piece ball/stud vs. the two piece Moog on the right. While the Howe ball joint does fit a standard Mopar ball joint tool, it does not sink in all the way. The reason being is the top part of the ball joint that allows it to be disassembled. I may have to grind out my tool to make things fit or just end up getting the 2152 tool which has the necessary recess. Oh yeah most importantly, Made in USA
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Re: Best and worst suspension parts. Update
[Re: RylisPro]
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02/02/15 11:05 PM
02/02/15 11:05 PM
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brads70
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Quote:
I got the Howe 22320 upper ball joints in. The ball joint boots 22399 comes separately. I talked to the tech guy from Howe and he said that the 22320X extra-duty version was for "high mis-alignment" applications and the ones I got were plenty strong for road race usage.
First impression is how smooth the ball joint articulation is. If I hold the ball joint horizontally the stud just slowly drops from up to down. With the Moog ball joint I can't hardly move the joint with my bare hands.
The Howe on the left is a one piece ball/stud vs. the two piece Moog on the right.
While the Howe ball joint does fit a standard Mopar ball joint tool, it does not sink in all the way.
The reason being is the top part of the ball joint that allows it to be disassembled. I may have to grind out my tool to make things fit or just end up getting the 2152 tool which has the necessary recess.
Oh yeah most importantly, Made in USA
With Howe ball joints you can also get different length pins for adjusting roll centers, camber curves, etc....
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