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Re: basic360 buildup [Re: volaredon] #1726696
01/16/15 12:22 AM
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I raced my 380 hp crate motor on 87 octane and ran a best of 7.27 @ 95 at 2950 lbs.


1.33 60 ft,6.21 at 110.59 in the 1/8, pump gas small block,2950lbs,drag radials,mufflers and driven to track ...
Re: basic360 buildup [Re: volaredon] #1726697
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also (I think it was them) Perfect Circle used to make a cast flat top (no dish) for a 360. I am wanting to see if they still do.
Why are 360's all equipped with dished pistons where 318s aren't? They handicapped the 360 right from the factory, I wouldnt understand why theyd want that either. (though I know most 318s are "in the hole" a bit too)




Yes, you can still get replacement, dished pistons for the 360 through any auto parts house.

Here's another option that's C H E A P. They're an ugly pistons but have proven to be rock solid relaibale in a build such as yours. I even know of one set in a motor that's gone high 11's now for going 4 years. I know of another set in a pulling truck AND had 40K+ street miles on it. Motor came down last year for a freshen...pistons/rings were A-Okay!

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/slp-h405cp30/overview/make/chrysler




Yeah I know OEM style stock "dished" pistons are available everywhere "a dime a dozen", in the post where I asked that I was looking for a cast flat top (NOT dished)
Those ones you link to at summit are the ones I am looking into getting. Would I need a balance job to go with them vs the stock typed dished POS'?
Already have the Magnum heads on hand they are a definite to go onto this engine, looking for around 9:1 to 9-1/4 to 1 probably at most.
Definitely wanting a boost from the OEM sub-8:1

NOT wanting "cheap" for the sake of cheap nor bragging rights for "most expensive" 360 towing/4X4 motor but bottom line is BANG FOR THE BUCK...
Block at machine shop it has not yet bored as of 2 days ago/ was told to hold off on buying to be sure it'll clean up there; I wanted only 0.020 over but machinists claim 0.020 "harder to find" and pretty much insist on going 030 if any at all... so I have been shopping 30-over




You'd have to compare published weights to know. But I would have it balanced regardless, as our forefathers at Mopar sometimes balanced on a "close enough" procedure. Balancing is always a good investment, IMHO.

Re: basic360 buildup [Re: cudadoug] #1726698
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so I went to the weapons shop at work and weighed a stock bore 360 oe piston and a speed pro h 116 cp that is 30 over and they are really close less than a gram difference. the pin is close too. I am going to use some arp bolts on rebuilt stock 360 rods and run it. I think if you are not buzzing the crap out of it you would be fine. for sure it is always better to balance but they are so close.


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Re: basic360 buildup [Re: aspenrt360] #1726699
01/17/15 05:08 PM
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so I went to the weapons shop at work and weighed a stock bore 360 oe piston and a speed pro h 116 cp that is 30 over and they are really close less than a gram difference. the pin is close too. I am going to use some arp bolts on rebuilt stock 360 rods and run it. I think if you are not buzzing the crap out of it you would be fine. for sure it is always better to balance but they are so close.



thanks that helps a bunch.
I m thinking hard about the 405CP's....

Re: basic360 buildup [Re: volaredon] #1726700
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ok; according to Summit the H 405 CP in 0.030 over lists at 584 grams. According to a '78, an 83 and an 87 FSM, the 360 pistons are advertised at exactly the same. Maybe I will not need a balance?
this motor will probably never see the high side of 4K RPM....

Re: basic360 buildup [Re: volaredon] #1726701
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OK; got the 405CP's. Also got the block and crank back from machine work yesterday. WOW has machine work gone UP Yikes.
For $438 I used to be able to get block, crank, AND HEADS done at the machine shop... we bought new heads so the machine shop didn't have to do any head work, and I am putting the cam bearings in myself this time even,,, I wasnt expecting them to charge me to remove the old ones, as I thought the "hot tank" operation would essentially dissolve them!

Granted, I don't put brand new heads on every build/ but with scouring Ebay for all the new parts (everything so far comingincheaper than Jegs/Summit but the same brands of parts I'd be gettin from them) it looks like we'll be into this build for around $2k, maybe a bit more by the time I get my 4 bbl intake (have a couple of carbs here to choose from already) and the cam, lifters and Tchain; I am spending the extra money to have the cam nitrided before it leaves the COMP factory, to help fight today's low zinc oil....

EQ head questions [Re: volaredon] #1726702
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Adding up the lift of a COMP 260H cam (.440") only with the Magnum heads' 1.6 rocker ratio that .440 lift, becomes .467;
Does anyone here see where I would have issues at that level of valve lift with valvespring retainer bind? Would I need to shave the valve spring towers on the heads

also what are the springs that come with the "assembled" EQ 318-B heads? I got these right from EQ via atheir Ebay site, not from Hughes or a Cleawater Cylinder Head type place.

Re: EQ head questions [Re: volaredon] #1726703
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Adding up the lift of a COMP 260H cam (.440") only with the Magnum heads' 1.6 rocker ratio that .440 lift, becomes .467;
Does anyone here see where I would have issues at that level of valve lift with valvespring retainer bind? Would I need to shave the valve spring towers on the heads

also what are the springs that come with the "assembled" EQ 318-B heads? I got these right from EQ via atheir Ebay site, not from Hughes or a Cleawater Cylinder Head type place.




Retainer to guide clearance on the magnum heads is usually good to .520 lift.

Re: EQ head questions [Re: cudadoug] #1726704
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For the minimal amount of time and effort, not to mention money, that it costs to cut down the guides, I'd say do it and forget it.

On my 302 heads I used a $40 or so cutter with the proper pilot size and kept the stock OD of the guides at 0.625 so I could use the stock seals. It took me less than 15 minutes from beginning to end. I was surprised at how easy it was.

One piece of advice, don't drop the cutter down onto the guide, I chipped a carbide tooth doing that. So, I had to do a little extra cleanup.

R.

Re: EQ head questions [Re: dogdays] #1726705
01/27/15 02:53 AM
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Don,
Late to the conversation here. I installed Mag heads on my low mileage '74 360 LA short block (from a van). Dished stock pistons, about .10" (!?!) in the hole. Shaved my Mag heads .020" and got the calculated compression up to 9:1 with the dished pistons. No knocks on 87 octane, has run a best 13.59 in my A body barracuda (no pro tune, I'm sure it has more left). If you installed flat tops without shaving your Mag heads, I'd guess you'd also be in the 9 to 9.5:1 range, which should work well with pump gas and Mag heads. Make sure to get an accurate weight on the truck, and match your cam and torque converter for best results right from the start.


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