Re: SRT Hellcat wreck
[Re: AndyF]
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01/11/15 10:09 AM
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My guess is that the insurance company has already taken a look at the black box data and they know exactly what the poor dude was up to.
Insurance company doesn't care what he was doing. The accident happened on a public street, and the car was being driven by the owner. The accident is clearly his fault. The only reasons the insurance company would need black box data is if there were some dispute in liability, or if accident reconstruction was needed for some reason (lawsuit, injuries, question of product liability, etc...).
The bottom line is that stupidity, recklessness, and lack of driving skill are all covered by your insurance policy.
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Re: SRT Hellcat wreck
[Re: not_a_charger]
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01/11/15 01:14 PM
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The bottom line is that stupidity, recklessness, and lack of driving skill are all covered by your insurance policy.
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Re: SRT Hellcat wreck
[Re: gdonovan]
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01/11/15 05:17 PM
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insurers can't access the black box, can't pull a fluid sample from any of the vehicle systems, etc...without the owner's permission.
While this is true, like I said if someone has access to the car and keys at the body shop who is to stop them? Not the body shop owner who wants to keep that sweet, sweet insurance job money flowing in the door.
No one would be the wiser.
Not likely 1)Body shops usually are not equipped with scan tools. They normally sublet having modules reflashed/reprogrammed. 2) Crash data isn't something you can pull up with a code reader, I doubt it's available at a normal dealer level access, but OE at minimum. 3) If the Insurance Co wanted the data they could get it, either via a subpoena, or access it after they total it without any marginally legal shenanigans.
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Re: SRT Hellcat wreck
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01/11/15 09:20 PM
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I have 2 Crash Data Retreival (CDR) machines at work. That is the only way to read most Event Data Recorders "black boxes" in cars. The only reason to have a CDR is to do accident investigation. Almost nobody except police and independent reconstruction firms have one. The full kit is about $8k and software runs about $1200 a year.
They are NOT mandated by the Feds. In 2013 the Feds made a minimum list of data a company had to store IF THEY CHOSE TO HAVE AN EDR.
Suprisingly some high end vehicles like BMW and Benz only started putting these in cars recently. GM started in the mid 90s.
Chrysler does have one of the more comprehensive data streams in theirs, including tire pressures and steering wheel angle.
Most EDR data is stored in the Airbag control module. There are some Fords that also save info in the PCM.
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Re: SRT Hellcat wreck
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01/11/15 09:26 PM
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I wrote "Not Likely"- Not Impossible I just dove down the rabbit hole and discovered that cars/light trucks can be accessed by the Bosch CDR tool, GM cars and trucks have the most coverage, back to 1994. Before vehicles built pre 9-2012 it's a crap shoot as far as how much data there is or how to get it. This is the latest release software and supported vehicles. Quote:
Who is saying shenanigans? Could be as innocent as asking the body shop for access to a vehicle that is wrecked so an appraisal can be performed.
There is nothing innocent about it, unethical at best. I still call shenanigans. The data would be useless in a legal case without a subpoena. If the car is totaled, then in Ins Co owns the car and has every right to access the modules.
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Re: SRT Hellcat wreck
[Re: 73MagDuster]
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01/11/15 09:41 PM
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73MagDuster:
Where does your machine plug into: the OBD port, or directly to the EDR?
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Re: SRT Hellcat wreck
[Re: gdonovan]
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01/11/15 11:03 PM
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insurers can't access the black box, can't pull a fluid sample from any of the vehicle systems, etc...without the owner's permission.
While this is true, like I said if someone has access to the car and keys at the body shop who is to stop them? Not the body shop owner who wants to keep that sweet, sweet insurance job money flowing in the door.
No one would be the wiser.
The data you're referring to isn't accessible with the typical hand-held scanner. Plus, no insurance company is going to waste money on a ridiculously expensive piece of equipment that their appraiser is unlikely to ever need or utilize. THEY DON'T CARE if you were drunk, speeding, etc...all of that is covered by your insurance. It doesn't get the insurance company off the hook at all. Even if the insurer did as you suggest, they wouldn't be able to use the info anyway, since it would've been obtained illegally.
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Re: SRT Hellcat wreck
[Re: gdonovan]
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01/11/15 11:53 PM
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Does this $8K? tool delete the info also?
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