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Re: Frustrated - pro parts headers and 440 Rb w/ eddy 440 v
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About the same as the original pro parts header collectors.  The trick I always used was to install the collector before tightening up any bolts at head. That one is pretty twisted. I'd call Bob and see about getting it right.
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Re: Frustrated - pro parts headers and 440 Rb w/ eddy 440 v
[Re: RobX4406]
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12/10/14 05:45 PM
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TTI will not do anything but tell you to try and bend them or use a thicker gasket, or move your engine around. They hang their hat on old Mopars having tolerance variables of 1"+.
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: Frustrated - pro parts headers and 440 Rb w/ eddy 440 v
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12/11/14 11:58 AM
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Well I went out to the shop last night and put my headers on. This is the first time I had bolted those on. At the driver side collector that same pipe was a tad off but with the bolts loose I could get the collector on and then tighten the bolts. I think the first good pull will stress relieve and make the pipes happier together. My cast Indy valve cover cleared on both sides and can be easily removed which is a good thing cause that's about the only way to get to the center tube bolts on the driver side. When I first assembled the plug wires on I had a set of Hedman Hustler headers on. These Proparts interfere with my pretty wire job to the point that now I need another set of wires and will have to figure out a different way to route them, maybe from above the headers which is not near as clean. So now that I need wires, are those firecores any good? 
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Re: Frustrated - pro parts headers and 440 Rb w/ eddy 440 v
[Re: 340KID]
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12/11/14 06:48 PM
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I had the 2" Proparts headers on my 69 Dart, it's really nice that you can install the motor in the car without the headers laying in there. But they were really not that fun to work with. I used MrGasket ultra seal header gaskets, using RTV would be a nightmare because you have to leave all the header bolts very loose as someone already mentioned. Then you wrestle with getting the collectors installed, and then get your little bolts installed that hold the collectors onto the headers. They hung pretty close to the ground, and are not equal length either.They work good though, this was a 500 low deck with a cam that bled off compression for pump gas and it went 9.82 at 136 through the mufflers on 10.5 tires. I used custom Firecore wires and loved them, they're hard to remove because the boots snap on so tight. 
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Re: Frustrated - pro parts headers and 440 Rb w/ eddy 440 v
[Re: 340KID]
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12/11/14 10:49 PM
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Update - spoke with Bob Mazz today, very stand up guy..
I explained the situation and he said he would work with me to get it resolved, he said do whatever it takes to get pipe to work for our break in and Dyno session, cut bend or weld pieces. We are hoping its a one off piece. My set was 1st of 15 sets of the latest batch he had made. He is going to test a couple from the rest of the batch on a mock up 440 to see how the #1 tube lines up and send me a new one if it passes his test. I'm hoping mine is just a one off mishap.
Thats cool... now that you called, he now can check
his other parts.. if you didnt call, those other
parts would have been shipped also
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Re: Frustrated - pro parts headers and 440 Rb w/ eddy 440 v
[Re: 340KID]
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12/11/14 10:58 PM
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U will lose about 50HP with those headers... Note the significant difference in length between the tubes.. Some are 39" others are 54"... They are well-built, good quality by TTi.. Juts my $0.02... 
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Re: Frustrated - pro parts headers and 440 Rb w/ eddy 440 v
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Update - spoke with Bob Mazz today, very stand up guy..
I explained the situation and he said he would work with me to get it resolved, he said do whatever it takes to get pipe to work for our break in and Dyno session, cut bend or weld pieces. We are hoping its a one off piece. My set was 1st of 15 sets of the latest batch he had made. He is going to test a couple from the rest of the batch on a mock up 440 to see how the #1 tube lines up and send me a new one if it passes his test. I'm hoping mine is just a one off mishap.
That's good.
IMO, that tube is messed up from the flange down to the collector. Your valve covers should not be an issue and the tube should clear them easily. Other sets have cleared the exact same covers. HMMM.
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Re: Frustrated - pro parts headers and 440 Rb w/ eddy 440 v
[Re: RobX4406]
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12/11/14 11:06 PM
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Update - spoke with Bob Mazz today, very stand up guy..
I explained the situation and he said he would work with me to get it resolved, he said do whatever it takes to get pipe to work for our break in and Dyno session, cut bend or weld pieces. We are hoping its a one off piece. My set was 1st of 15 sets of the latest batch he had made. He is going to test a couple from the rest of the batch on a mock up 440 to see how the #1 tube lines up and send me a new one if it passes his test. I'm hoping mine is just a one off mishap.
That's good.
IMO, that tube is messed up from the flange down to the collector. Your valve covers should not be an issue and the tube should clear them easily. Other sets have cleared the exact same covers. HMMM.
From the looks of the collector end and the crash
at the VC I would think its bent correctly but it
was rotated a bit when welded up.. probably about
3*-5*.. if the jig allows this then the jig needs work
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Re: Frustrated - pro parts headers and 440 Rb w/ eddy 440 v
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12/12/14 12:23 AM
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U will lose about 50HP with those headers...
Note the significant difference in length between the tubes..
Some are 39" others are 54"...
They are well-built, good quality by TTi..
Juts my $0.02...
Interesting that you brought this up, I once called TTI to inquire about the unequal lengths and whoever I spoke went seriously negative in a New York minute in regard to equal versus unequal lengths, he said there was no difference and people who think there is are stupid, etc, etc. I finally hung up on him. That was some years ago but I never forgot it.
Joey
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Re: Frustrated - pro parts headers and 440 Rb w/ eddy 440 v
[Re: jake4cars]
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12/12/14 12:28 AM
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U will lose about 50HP with those headers...
Note the significant difference in length between the tubes..
Some are 39" others are 54"...
They are well-built, good quality by TTi..
Juts my $0.02...
Interesting that you brought this up, I once called TTI to inquire about the unequal lengths and whoever I spoke went seriously negative in a New York minute in regard to equal versus unequal lengths, he said there was no difference and people who think there is are stupid, etc, etc. I finally hung up on him. That was some years ago but I never forgot it.
Joey
He was full of..... do-do, think of it as timing on
the exhaust
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Re: Frustrated - pro parts headers and 440 Rb w/ eddy 440 v
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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12/12/14 12:48 AM
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Update - spoke with Bob Mazz today, very stand up guy..
I explained the situation and he said he would work with me to get it resolved, he said do whatever it takes to get pipe to work for our break in and Dyno session, cut bend or weld pieces. We are hoping its a one off piece. My set was 1st of 15 sets of the latest batch he had made. He is going to test a couple from the rest of the batch on a mock up 440 to see how the #1 tube lines up and send me a new one if it passes his test. I'm hoping mine is just a one off mishap.
That's good.
IMO, that tube is messed up from the flange down to the collector. Your valve covers should not be an issue and the tube should clear them easily. Other sets have cleared the exact same covers. HMMM.
From the looks of the collector end and the crash
at the VC I would think its bent correctly but it
was rotated a bit when welded up.. probably about
3*-5*.. if the jig allows this then the jig needs work
Exactly Mr P. I'm almost certain that's the issue and I expressed that to Bob. He's quite concerned about the rest of his inventory. Now I need to figure out how to temp fix the issue so we can dyno the engine. I was thinking of putting a butterfly cut about 2/3 up from the bottom an inch or 2 from flange and clock it 5,10 or 15 degrees down and stitch it back together. I don't think this will compromise the tube diameter that much as far as diameter for dyno runs. Any recommendations are much appreciated.
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good luck on your resolution 
