Re: D series for towing
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My 72 D200 is disc. I haven't towed a lot, but when I did, the factory stuff was fine. I didn't have trailer brakes either.
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Re: D series for towing
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12/09/14 05:00 AM
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As best I understand it, to upgrade to Disk Brakes on Drum Brake Front Axles 4x4's, you need to replace the entire Front Axle Housing, not just the brake rotors, calipers and mounting brackets, as they are significantly different.
You might be able to transplant an entire Axle assembly, rotor-to-rotor from a later model truck, but certain years were full-time 4WD.
There may be some aftermarket solution for all I know.
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Re: D series for towing
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12/09/14 12:19 PM
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Disc brake were available on D100 starting in 72. I've had several 73 D100's with disc brakes.
My old '72 W100 had 4 wheel drums.
Is there a common brake "upgrade" for these trucks or is the factory stuff ok if its working as designed?
My 73 W200 had drums and I converted to Chevy disc. Not sure about the W100 but the W200 didn't get disc til 75.
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Re: D series for towing
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As best I understand it, to upgrade to Disk Brakes on Drum Brake Front Axles 4x4's, you need to replace the entire Front Axle Housing, not just the brake rotors, calipers and mounting brackets, as they are significantly different.
You might be able to transplant an entire Axle assembly, rotor-to-rotor from a later model truck, but certain years were full-time 4WD.
There may be some aftermarket solution for all I know.
You can convert to Chevy disc. Find an early 70's Chevy with the Dana 44. The Chevy spindles bolt up to the Dodge knuckles. Use the Chevy outer axle shafts. Did this on my 73 W200 back in the late 80's and made a world of difference.
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Re: D series for towing
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12/09/14 12:24 PM
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My 72 D200 is disc. I haven't towed a lot, but when I did, the factory stuff was fine. I didn't have trailer brakes either.
Do the trucks generally have boosters? Hard to imagine they didn't. I can't remember whether mine had one or not.
I guess 1972 was a transition year for disc brakes, some had them, some didn't get 'em.
Had to replace a hub (I think) on that W100 truck once, ended up scouring the country looking for the part. What a PITA. I thought about going to disc at that point and from what I could ascertain, the 'easiest' way was to swap axles from a later truck or go to a brand X knuckle. Never did it though.
I am primarily looking for a 2WD truck though. I'm not doing any wheeling so there's no real need for 4WD.
All my 73 D100's had power disc.
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72 Satellite Sebring Plus 440, 72 Dart 5.9 4-spd, 68 Valiant, 73 W200, 78 D100 sb, 78 D200, 98 DAKOTA, . Moparmarks Parts & Restorations Desert Mopar Metal Grand Jct. CO 970-261-7039 http://moparmark.com/motormangj@gmail.com
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Re: D series for towing
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12/09/14 03:08 PM
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Nothing wrong with a D100 or D200 for your use. I've towed a lot of cars with my 97 Dakota just not over the mountains. As stated before install a trailer brake controller and have good working trailer brakes which is required by law anywho. Auto tranny with a good cooler is fine but having that granny gear on a 4-speed is nice for taking off with a load.
I agree with Mark here. My 71 W100 sits on an 89 3/4 ton chassis with HD drums rear & discs front. I installed a HD receiver hitch with electric brake hookup & it tows pretty well considering its a short bed. The tall gears (3.54's) with 35" tires are like an overdrive, so the 383 mag lacks the torque in the lower speeds to get a loaded open hauler up steep grades, but it'll do it. I think if you upgrade an earlier sweptline to disc brakes, get some towing gears & an overdrive and a receiver hitch w/ trailer brakes, you'll be fine. I recently towed my 64 Belvedere about 1000 miles with no problems. Granted, it wasn't as nice as my previous long bed 02 Cummins, but still a fun trip. Hard to see the hitch setup in this pic, its where the round hitch cover plug is.
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Re: D series for towing
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That is one sweet tow rig!! If I were a lot younger I would be happy to climb into that rig and tow anywhere...however climbing that high to mount up is not going to happen anymore. I once owned a 1977 W200 with a 440, a 4" lift kit and 12.00x16.5 Formula Desert Dogs. It was fun to drive back in 1977 when I bought it new for $7,800.00 out the door in Anaheim, CA. But, gas was only 38.9 and 42.9 and I was only 31
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Re: D series for towing
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12/09/14 07:32 PM
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I have a question on this topic, along with a comment.
With a half ton truck, the weight of the trailer is important. Trailer weights can vary considerably. A lighter trailer will reduce the amount of weight being towed.
Has anyone used a weight distributing hitch when towing with a half ton? Do these hitches make a difference?
Yes I have used a weight distributing hitch on many vehicles, like 15 or so. I used one on a 05 durango, that's like a 1/2 ton short bed.
They are so necessary IMO with any tow vehicle, but especially with light duty vehicle like a 1/2 ton and even more so with a short wheelbase.
I have a huge frieghtliner toterhome built to haul a 50' mini semi.
I pull a reg sized open car trailer and have pulled it both ways, with my bars pulled up tight on the chains and without the weight bars. The huge truck rides way better with the weight bars than without, it's noticeable. So I use my weight bars on every trip now even with this huge truck.
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Re: D series for towing
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12/09/14 09:10 PM
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I put a rough country lift on this 87 ramcharger in 87. I put 33.5 tires on it and 4:11 gears front and back. I drove it everyday for 7 years and 90K miles before I sold it. I pulled a 20' boat back and forth to Lake Cumberland in Ky for years, like at least once a month. Then in a pinch one night when I first got my 26' enclosed trailer, I pulled it with my ramcharger to Edgewater Raceway. Edgewater is 4 miles from my house and I can get there without going through a intersection with a traffic light. It was a crazy handful and was the only time I pulled my enclosed with my ramcharger. It pulled my 20' boat pretty good. As good as a surburban or long bed truck? hell no.
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Re: D series for towing
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12/12/14 03:06 AM
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The lift isn't all that radical & a drop hitch corrects the hitch height & its really stable & handles surprisingly well. After towing a 24'enclosed with my long wheelbase Cummins, I figured the 71 would be a handful, but its stable & not tail twitchy at all. Airbags also help keep things level when towing. The tall gears & 35"x12x 16.5 BFG's are great on the highway & I'm only spinning about 2400 rpm at 70. But it does need 4.10's with the short stroke 383 mag. Going up a steep 1500 -2000 ft grade towing the belvedere, I was maxed out at 35mph so a stroker crank or 4.10's are in the plans.
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