Re: Gen III Hemi- Carb or EFI? Which one is better?
[Re: AlexP]
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Some will argue that the carb is cheaper. While some have nice fancy carbs that play the role well, the Hemi was designed via port configuration for efi.
It's more expensive to cost drive ability and efficiency. Power is moot but the other two will suffer in most combinations.
I've got less than $1500 in my efi with computer and wideband. I know it will fire the first time and I don't have to run a side computer for timing. Others will argue but that's my stance.
Can you give us a detailed run down of what exactly you used, and what you had to update on the car to use those items?
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Re: Gen III Hemi- Carb or EFI? Which one is better?
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I agree with AlexP....only a fool would argue that a carb set up is more efficient. Cost is line ball....didnt use to be but there are more efi options around now...... To get a carb set up on a Gen 3 working properly, you're either compensating for ineffecient intake manifolds or running a race set up out ofthe hood........and sometimes BOTH. Most guys who run carbs are either doing it for the looks....or simply prefer old school tuning processes.
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Re: Gen III Hemi- Carb or EFI? Which one is better?
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Was it Zippy that talked about the 392 crate program? I seem to remember that the efi made 540 or something and the carb was 600-ish?
I wonder what the story on that was.
I would say poor EFI tuning with a 60hp difference
Monte
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Re: Gen III Hemi- Carb or EFI? Which one is better?
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IMHO for a street car, EFI is the way to go. Put it down to driveability.
R.
I would agree with this and also add any race car to that as well. EFI is the way to go. Wouldn't matter to me if I never saw another carb........LOL!!!
I even have EFI on my 74 beater Jeep and my jetboat...........love it.
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Re: Gen III Hemi- Carb or EFI? Which one is better?
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Anymore,depending on what you start with core wise, it isn't cheaper to go carb. $700 intake, $500 carb, and $5-600 ignition setup. Yeah the car might already be set up for carb but still....A stock 6.1 intake will kill anything else power wise other than a Drag Pak but you put a $350 throttle body on those too.
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Re: Gen III Hemi- Carb or EFI? Which one is better?
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If using a stock 6.4 with VVT I highly recommend Modern Muscle for a plug and play factory ECU setup that even uses the factory DBW throttle body.
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Re: Gen III Hemi- Carb or EFI? Which one is better?
[Re: hudsonhornet7x]
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You're not going to run a stock engine.
In that case you will either have the steep learning curve to tune it, or you will be paying someone to do it.
That has held me back from EFI.
It's about a grand to get one tuned on the chassis dyno here. Then if you want to change the combination, get the checkbook out again.
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Re: Gen III Hemi- Carb or EFI? Which one is better?
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several factors to consider here; what are you starting with? Intake system complete, a lot of carb stuff, or nothing? Which do YOU want? I would love the 2x4 intake early Hemi look, but don't like the hassle of carbs. I am having a hard time coming up with a scoop or hood bulge that I can live with on the car I want to put this in, the factory barrel intake will fit. But then I loose the open hood look of the 2x4 carbs. Fuel injection is the overall power and drivability king, period. Only a customized race package can do better with the carb, due to the narrow power band they can set the car up for. Even then, I don't see the carb having any edge because of the tune ability of EFI and almost zero WOT vacuum. There are only two race systems I like; First, Constant flow fuel injection, because it is so stupid simple and reliable. Second, custom EFI. All the advantages of modern engineering are right there. Someone once described the carb as a wonderful device made to deliver the wrong amount of fuel at the wrong time. That description made me laugh, because when you look at all the band aid engineering in a barb to alter fuel delivery, it is spot on
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Re: Gen III Hemi- Carb or EFI? Which one is better?
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Greg, did you buy that intake yet? I want to see it
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Re: Gen III Hemi- Carb or EFI? Which one is better?
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Not yet. Got the carbs, though used, great shape, Endurashine I may wait on buying any more induction parts till I get the motor buttoned up. It could be some months, and ya never know what is coming down the (new stuff)pipeline
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