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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: D-50]
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10/30/14 10:34 PM
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$5000 for the W8, and another $2,000 to have someone build headers.
It's more then just the cost of the motor.
Again that is a one off deal. I also know a guy that bought a prostock motor for way cheaper then you'd think you could... but those deals are less common then the apples to apples conversation we're trying to have.
I built my own headers for my D-50 and only have about $400.00 in them. First set I have ever built. There is no wat I would pay $2000.00 for a set. They are not that hard to do.
Trouble is not everyone can build headers, fab cross members to clear the oil pan. Not to mention Dry sumps, odd ball bell housings. extravagant cooling systems etc. If you do break a p-5/p7 parts are costly. I personally run both SB and BB. Each has it's advantages. Cheap power per dollar with new parts and low maintenance is not a w-8 or Nascar style SB. It is also not a Hemi or Predator. A eddy headed 408 or a eddy headed 500 BB are both probably the best bang for the buck. Not only can't the average guy afford too much more, then there's the maintenance. That takes both skill and money. Fortunately I can do my own motors, and have machine shop support. How many of these 8 second cars run 15 or more times a year? How many weigh 3300+ lbs? I'm sure some do, but not on the average budget.
Doug
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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10/30/14 11:14 PM
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I love to play with smallblocks...Come get ya some !!
Show me any street legal smallblock MOPAR in the 4'S in the 1/8 or 7'S on the 1/4 ?? 
There is none. But when Chad gets his w8 turbo deal done I am sure he would race ya!
Come on Brad you can do better than that ...Outlaw big turbo car against mine  ...They don't even allow boost on bigblocks in what I'm racing 
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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10/30/14 11:23 PM
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$5000 for the W8, and another $2,000 to have someone build headers.
It's more then just the cost of the motor.
Again that is a one off deal. I also know a guy that bought a prostock motor for way cheaper then you'd think you could... but those deals are less common then the apples to apples conversation we're trying to have.
Next time you need headers I will drive to Michigan pick up your car and get you headers for 2000.00. Could it be soon I need some money to but my car back together. I could get stainless headers for less then that.
X2. I'll build you a set of headers for 2k as well.
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: fishy340]
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10/30/14 11:31 PM
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It's a shame they have to be street legal ca use I know 4 that run mid 4s.
Go on.... I love me some SBM
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: SpareParts]
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10/30/14 11:51 PM
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So is a low deck 400 stroked to low 500 cubic inches a happy place in between ?? I know its considered a big block but it has a lighter/ faster rotating assembly...
1972 Road Runner / GTX 440 4spd Dana 3.54 Just about to turn 26K original miles..
A boat, a GMC truck, some Craftsman Tools, LOTS of Zombie Protection, and a few Goldfish..
If you love someone set them free..
If they come back it means nobody else wanted them either..!!
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: Leadfoot]
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10/30/14 11:55 PM
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Let's come back to earth and be realists for a minute. Let's play how most of us play. Lets go dollar for dollar. Start with an empty engine compartment and a $5k budget. Let's toss in a builder motor of your choice. The builder motor is free. Pick a small block or a big block built with your $5k budget. What's going to get you the lowest E.T.? Same car too. A Duster will be a good platform to start with. Leave the transmission, exhaust and cooling out of the equation too. That's already included. We're talking just the engine.
That should automatically exclude the Hemi. That's the worst H.P/dollar investment we can possibly come up with.
But! I'll pick the small block. I don't think you can get down the track as quick on the $5k budget with a BB
No bottles either.
BB parts currently for sale in the race section here.
511" short block,Ross pistons ,eagle rods, new $3300
Eddy heads,springs, $ 750
solid.549/.571@108 cam new $ 140
Cloyes chain and gears new $ 95
Valve covers, chrome $ 50
TM-7 intake, used $ 100
Still missing
Just missed pushrods and rockers, cheap
tappets,gaskets,oil pan,oil pump & drive.
I'd bet that would be close to $5500 total. If this thing wouldn't make close to 575-600hp I'd be surprised.
Doug
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: Gary Robbins]
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10/31/14 12:04 AM
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I love to play with smallblocks...Come get ya some !!
Show me any street legal smallblock MOPAR in the 4'S in the 1/8 or 7'S on the 1/4 ??
There is none. But when Chad gets his w8 turbo deal done I am sure he would race ya!
Come on Brad you can do better than that ...Outlaw big turbo car against mine ...They don't even allow boost on bigblocks in what I'm racing
And how much nitrous are you feeding your baby?
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: justinp61]
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10/31/14 12:21 AM
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I love to play with smallblocks...Come get ya some !!
Show me any street legal smallblock MOPAR in the 4'S in the 1/8 or 7'S on the 1/4 ??
There is none. But when Chad gets his w8 turbo deal done I am sure he would race ya!
Come on Brad you can do better than that ...Outlaw big turbo car against mine ...They don't even allow boost on bigblocks in what I'm racing
And how much nitrous are you feeding your baby?
Not as much as most or what you think...What's that got to do with anything anyway ??? N/A cars will never keep up with power adder cars as HP is HP any way you figure it !!! 
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: justinp61]
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10/31/14 12:27 AM
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W8's get it done for sure, but for a comparably exotic BB head and likely a compareable price point you're looking at B1 stuff, which would win the HP race.
What stands out to me on this board is the SB guys seem more hardcore than the BB guys, seems to be more exotic W8 stuff in cars than B1's, just my observation
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: Gary Robbins]
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10/31/14 12:30 AM
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I love to play with smallblocks...Come get ya some !!
Show me any street legal smallblock MOPAR in the 4'S in the 1/8 or 7'S on the 1/4 ??
There is none. But when Chad gets his w8 turbo deal done I am sure he would race ya!
Come on Brad you can do better than that ...Outlaw big turbo car against mine ...They don't even allow boost on bigblocks in what I'm racing
And how much nitrous are you feeding your baby?
Not as much as most or what you think...What's that got to do with anything anyway ??? N/A cars will never keep up with power adder cars as HP is HP any way you figure it !!!
For a lot of us it has everything to do with it.
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: justinp61]
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10/31/14 12:58 AM
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I love to play with smallblocks...Come get ya some !!
Show me any street legal smallblock MOPAR in the 4'S in the 1/8 or 7'S on the 1/4 ??
There is none. But when Chad gets his w8 turbo deal done I am sure he would race ya!
Come on Brad you can do better than that ...Outlaw big turbo car against mine ...They don't even allow boost on bigblocks in what I'm racing
And how much nitrous are you feeding your baby?
Not as much as most or what you think...What's that got to do with anything anyway ??? N/A cars will never keep up with power adder cars as HP is HP any way you figure it !!!
For a lot of us it has everything to do with it.
I have 4 other cars from 8 second to 12 second quarter mile cars all N/A and none compare to low teen 60' at 3250# on a 275 drag radial...Besides if ya think it's easy come give it a try as the water is only luke warm and so easy even a HILLBILLY from Oklahoma can do it !!
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: WO23Coronet]
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10/31/14 01:24 AM
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W8's get it done for sure, but for a comparably exotic BB head and likely a compareable price point you're looking at B1 stuff, which would win the HP race.
What stands out to me on this board is the SB guys seem more hardcore than the BB guys, seems to be more exotic W8 stuff in cars than B1's, just my observation
This is true. Maybe us SBM guys aren't scared to run some parts over lol. Open the bottle and shift it at 8200..... golden 
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: Ari440]
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10/31/14 01:31 AM
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BB's and Hemi's were all the rage forever until the W8 came along.
what's a W8 cost? I mean say from carb to oil pan?
If you look hard you can buy complete minus carb for $6-7k. That's with an R block
 that's a lot of money for a door stop 
Even though my heavier pump gas Streeter was 4mph and 2 tenths faster then you  )
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Re: Why do guys race small blocks?
[Re: fishy340]
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10/31/14 01:49 AM
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MOPAR Pro Stock Chrysler Australia: http://youtu.be/qKSuJ05kclM
And there is a faster one built by Bob Book using Slawko heads...This is why we like sb's
So Now we're on to Pro Stock $100,000.00 stuff.. 
Chris.. 
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