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Re: Bored with 660hp.... [Re: Monte_Smith] #1687921
10/22/14 06:52 PM
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Boogers and dogdays posts should be plenty to enlighten you. Im very familer with the term and its easy to understand.

You can only do so much area under the curve with a certain lift, diameter will regulate that. It was well explained IMO

So yes a Chevy type diameter LOBE design can be ground on a Chrysler LOBE. Its still a Chrysler cam, but its got a Chevy Lobe.

hey, we all cant know everything




EDIT, Also Im not Implying that Dragula has a Hemi cam with a chevy type Lobe design.


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Re: Bored with 660hp.... [Re: Dragula] #1687922
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Cam Card....Was not spec'd by me.....And remember I have rockers with higher ratio's






looking at his cam card it started out well, they used NF lobe design and lift rate in to popular lobe numbers. nf lobes were first made by ultradyne.now ultradyne=bullet they are very fast lift rate,then also sold by hughes but engle cams made all there cams. back to the card then the bullet core was ground by comp cams? thats were it goes south
too much duration for motor size on street(and its killing compression and low end power) with great flowing hemi heads you dont stagger cam lobes(like in wedge to help ext slow side) dont like the 4 degrees advance ground into the cam (its not a gm 350) also dont like the 110 lsa (it needs 106 or 108 lsa) to built lots of cylinder pressure so it wont be a dud with huge heads and valves. if cam was also ground then to comp cams big block gm lobe lift rate/profile it would slow that cam down. and yes hemi cam only fits a 426 hemi design motor the lobes are 180 swapped from all wedge motors. id build a small 600 lift solid roller for it spin it 8k then if wanted and power till rods come out.also check valve guides for wear and vac test all ports to make sure valves are sealing perfect,also check cam for bad lobes, its cam
or that.


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Re: Bored with 660hp.... [Re: Sport440] #1687923
10/22/14 09:23 PM
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Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY
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Funny how this post got off track, but I will say I have had cams in this motor that utilized the ramp you can attain with the Mopar lifters, and the mid range was much better. I noticed it right away in this combo....No more letting the local place pick the cam....Bullet confirmed this when I got a quote for a new one.

-That will definitly change this winter along with the ignition box, and maybe the intake valve size and the convertor.

Last edited by Dragula; 10/22/14 09:26 PM.

'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Bored with 660hp.... [Re: Sport440] #1687924
10/22/14 11:41 PM
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Boogers and dogdays posts should be plenty to enlighten you. Im very familer with the term and its easy to understand.

You can only do so much area under the curve with a certain lift, diameter will regulate that. It was well explained IMO

So yes a Chevy type diameter LOBE design can be ground on a Chrysler LOBE. Its still a Chrysler cam, but its got a Chevy Lobe.

hey, we all cant know everything




EDIT, Also Im not Implying that Dragula has a Hemi cam with a chevy type Lobe design.




Trust me, I don't need "enlightened" on cam design nor how they work. I have probably had about 50 custom ground this year to my specs for various motors. Call the lobe whatever you want. As long as it opens and closes where I want it is all that matters to me..............but I will bow out of this thread anyway. Guess this stuff is just too far over my head..............LOL!!!

Monte

Re: Bored with 660hp.... [Re: Monte_Smith] #1687925
10/23/14 12:03 AM
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Boogers and dogdays posts should be plenty to enlighten you. Im very familer with the term and its easy to understand.

You can only do so much area under the curve with a certain lift, diameter will regulate that. It was well explained IMO

So yes a Chevy type diameter LOBE design can be ground on a Chrysler LOBE. Its still a Chrysler cam, but its got a Chevy Lobe.

hey, we all cant know everything




EDIT, Also Im not Implying that Dragula has a Hemi cam with a chevy type Lobe design.




Trust me, I don't need "enlightened" on cam design nor how they work. I have probably had about 50 custom ground this year to my specs for various motors. Call the lobe whatever you want. As long as it opens and closes where I want it is all that matters to me..............but I will bow out of this thread anyway. Guess this stuff is just too far over my head..............LOL!!!

Monte




Hey, You asked to be enlightened, and you were.

50 or even 1500 custom ground cams have Nothing to do with , what you wanted to be enlightened about.




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Re: Bored with 660hp.... [Re: Sport440] #1687926
10/23/14 12:21 AM
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Finally got that stubborn engine out of the car tonight....Stupid diaper wedged itself between the steering rack and the oil pan and would not let me lift the engine out once it pulled away from the trans....When I had the pan built, it was not setup for extra clearance so I ended up having to pull the rack....What a pain!

So it will go to my engine builder this week sometime and we will check #8 intake lobe as that is the one the adjuster went away on....After that, decisions....Guy that wanted the whole rotating assembly backed out, so maybe just a bigger bore piston and better cam and bigger intake valves...Maybe dyno it after we change some things....What do you guys pay for having an engine dyno'd?


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Bored with 660hp.... [Re: Dragula] #1687927
10/23/14 06:05 AM
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What do I pay to get an engine dyno'd?? ZIP, Nadda, nothing. Of course I could have built a 3000hp motor for what I've spent on my dyno setup.
Hope you find the problem Randy .Dave

Re: Bored with 660hp.... [Re: Dragula] #1687928
10/23/14 10:50 AM
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....What do you guys pay for having an engine dyno'd?



$500 a day. Well worth it, IMO.


Gone to the dark side with an LS3 powered '57 Chevy 210
Re: Bored with 660hp.... [Re: DusterDave] #1687929
10/23/14 07:46 PM
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Well, the engine got down to the shop...We discussed going to a 528 and a real cam somewhere in the .640 lift range. And maybe a real convertor...


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Bored with 660hp.... [Re: Dragula] #1687930
10/25/14 12:55 PM
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Well, the engine got down to the shop...We discussed going to a 528 and a real cam somewhere in the .640 lift range. And maybe a real convertor...




Depends on what you are going to do with the car

An 8" vertor will definately make better ET. But you may not like it's street manners.

Do the test to see how long it takes to fill a gallon can using the lines from the regulator.
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