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Re: degreeing cams with advance ground in
[Re: mopar dave]
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10/19/14 09:37 AM
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Im a little surprised here. There is a lot of information being tossed around here,but no one has asked the question, " who SPECD the cam". Typically,in a Procharger application,someone with pressure or boosted knowledge is involved in the cam selection process. Just like in turbo,charged anf nitrous set up,you start seeing some wider LSAs for a reason.Just because the cam card says Xxx degrees ground in, it doesnt mean it MUST be installed there. I would ask the person who actually specd the cam and or Procharger first if it was my momey 
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Re: degreeing cams with advance ground in
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10/19/14 12:24 PM
10/19/14 12:24 PM
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Mt Morris Michigan
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Steve Morris spec'ed the cam and bullet ground it. I just ordered a new dial indicator with mag base as my old one was questionable.
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Re: degreeing cams with advance ground in
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10/19/14 12:46 PM
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Im a little surprised here. There is a lot of information being tossed around here,but no one has asked the question, " who SPECD the cam". Typically,in a Procharger application,someone with pressure or boosted knowledge is involved in the cam selection process. Just like in turbo,charged anf nitrous set up,you start seeing some wider LSAs for a reason.Just because the cam card says Xxx degrees ground in, it doesnt mean it MUST be installed there. I would ask the person who actually specd the cam and or Procharger first if it was my momey
 that's what I did. Steve Morris was my starting point also. Ended up with a comp cams grind.
I always use the positive stop method to find true TDC. Most accurate way. I also run my dial indicator directly off the lifter ( home made with 2 lifters and a section of pipe in between ). To eliminate any confusion, I always degree using the opening / closing #'s ( @.050) on the cam card. I don't do all the lobes, but I dodo  one intake and one exhaust. Never had a cam where one # lined up while others didn't. Possible though, as I never checked them all. 
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Re: degreeing cams with advance ground in
[Re: Crizila]
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10/19/14 07:16 PM
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Im a little surprised here. There is a lot of information being tossed around here,but no one has asked the question, " who SPECD the cam". Typically,in a Procharger application,someone with pressure or boosted knowledge is involved in the cam selection process. Just like in turbo,charged anf nitrous set up,you start seeing some wider LSAs for a reason.Just because the cam card says Xxx degrees ground in, it doesnt mean it MUST be installed there. I would ask the person who actually specd the cam and or Procharger first if it was my momey
that's what I did. Steve Morris was my starting point also. Ended up with a comp cams grind.
I always use the positive stop method to find true TDC. Most accurate way. I also run my dial indicator directly off the lifter ( home made with 2 lifters and a section of pipe in between ). To eliminate any confusion, I always degree using the opening / closing #'s ( @.050) on the cam card. I don't do all the lobes, but I dodo one intake and one exhaust. Never had a cam where one # lined up while others didn't. Possible though, as I never checked them all.
RIP Monte Smith
Your work is a reflection of yourself, autograph it with quality.
WD for Diamond Pistons,Sidewinder cylinder heads, Wiseco, K1 rods and cranks,BAM lifters, Morel lifters, Molnar Technologies, Harland Sharp, Pro Gear, Cometic, King Engine Bearings and many others.
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Re: degreeing cams with advance ground in
[Re: mopar dave]
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10/27/14 01:52 AM
10/27/14 01:52 AM
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ok, finished degreeing cam today. I check open/close numbers. card says 23 open and 65 close. @.050 open I get 22 and @.050 before max lift I get 65. am I doing this right? the install centerline is correct at 111*. thanks
With a 268* duration cam, a .050 23 open BTDC and a close ABDC of 65* will be at a 111* ICL Your at 22/65 close enough. Im always off by a half degree or so. Tolerances when measuring ICL, is tough to get it closer then that. And its not needed, to be more accurate then that.
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Re: degreeing cams with advance ground in
[Re: mopar dave]
#1686763
10/27/14 03:18 PM
10/27/14 03:18 PM
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Bend,OR USA
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I thought the @50 open/close numbers where measured at .050 open and .050 just before close, but at the 50 before close I got 115. didn't match card, so I tried 50 after max lift and no match either. 50 before max lift and I get 65.
why do they give the close point at .050 before max lift?
i'm done with it now. I told him to check valve clearance and button it up. thanks
They don't provide any information on .050 before or after max lift on any cam card I ever seen   Most of the checking numbers on the cam card are in reference to before top dead center BTDC and after bottom dead center ABDC on the intake and before bottom dead center BBDC and after top dead center, ATDC, on the exhaust  Finding the max lobe lift on the exhaust and intake lobes in relation to BTDC and ATDC is the hard part without coaching, mentoring, or further instructions 
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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