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Re: Where is the big reveal on the killer sb heads.
[Re: Leon441]
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There already is aftermarket heads for Gen III Hemis. Yeah solid roller valvetrain is still in its infancy. The lack of interest in them is what is holding them back. People are scared of change. By the time everyone gets the idea, the aftermarket will have already moved on, AGAIN.
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Re: Where is the big reveal on the killer sb heads.
[Re: fishy340]
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10/07/14 01:53 PM
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Why buy an aluminum block when the stock ones can take twice what a 340 can?
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Re: Where is the big reveal on the killer sb heads.
[Re: fishy340]
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10/07/14 04:21 PM
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I'm not scared of change,I just don't want one of them.
Who the hell wants to spend 6 grand on an unmachined alum block and the cost of all the bells and whistles to go mid 9's when it can be done with a stock 340 and procomp heads.
Mopar is out of their minds and trying to force this on their tiny amount of diehard fans.
I know there is a pro charged one in x275 w billed heads,but to be honest it don't compete and cost I bet 60+ grand.JMO
Rob Goss that qualified 4th in GA don't compete? Just a few thou off
Rhodes isn't competing? 
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Re: Where is the big reveal on the killer sb heads.
[Re: Leon441]
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10/07/14 04:23 PM
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The gen 3 works. I like the R5 P7 also but if you can only afford a 358" (like I could have bought) it seems like getting the right converter is a nightmare and they want a huge converter, that takes the fun out of driving my car to me. Big W heads it is 
A 8" 7000 stall converter for a 800 + HP engine with a 7600-9500 powerband does not stall 7000 at street rpm. I ran one with 4.10 gear a 1.76 first an 33" tires. It was very streetable and got 15mpg. "This is what I call an excuse". If I hadn't tested documented and posted my results, would agree with your issues. But, it is proven not to be an issue.
Moving on....
Gen3 hemi heads do not outflow exotic LA heads.300cfm is not even comparable to 410+. And really a W8 is not exotic anymore. P5 is exotic and their numbers are out of site.
I like the gen3 just like to see people realize aftermarket designs is what is running the big power. Although the built up stock engines are impressive to.
In the past 15 years there have been several sb heads available. They were just more expensive. The edelbocks were priced better but are 38 year old design. The Indy's are also a very old design. Anyone remember Batton? arrignton even made a head for 59 degree blocks. They made good power.
The heads on my 05 Ram will flow 300 cfm with mino work, and they're the bottom feeder as far as Gen III's go. Stock 6.4 heads are 340 ish and over 400 when worked on, so they are well within exotic LA territory.
No hate here for the LA but give the Gen III a little more time and it'll be the obvious way to go
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Re: Where is the big reveal on the killer sb heads.
[Re: SpareParts]
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10/07/14 10:47 PM
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Frankly the gen 3 stuff I have seen thus far doesn't excite me any more from a performance level than old school LA stuff.... And the gen 3 motors( IMO) don't look as good under the hood. For a well scienced out bracket type build there is a combo on here that runs 9.60's. It's EFI and done right, with well ported heads and good parts( 426 inches) It runs good, no doubt. But an Indy head or even W5 motor run just as well. And many actually run much better. I am probably old fashioned, but the gen 3 doesn't look as cool or run any better and doesn't fit as well either. P7 deal seems the cheapest way I know to have an easy mid 9 sec combo. Again I am old... So.. 
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Re: Where is the big reveal on the killer sb heads.
[Re: 72Swinger]
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10/07/14 10:51 PM
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Why buy an aluminum block when the stock ones can take twice what a 340 can?
Sounds nice for the crowd,show me one that handles 1400+.
As a matter of fact show me one n/a that can beat one bad fishes stock block and i'll apologize to all.
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Re: Where is the big reveal on the killer sb heads.
[Re: SpareParts]
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10/07/14 10:54 PM
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I'm not scared of change,I just don't want one of them.
Who the hell wants to spend 6 grand on an unmachined alum block and the cost of all the bells and whistles to go mid 9's when it can be done with a stock 340 and procomp heads.
Mopar is out of their minds and trying to force this on their tiny amount of diehard fans.
I know there is a pro charged one in x275 w billed heads,but to be honest it don't compete and cost I bet 60+ grand.JMO
Rob Goss that qualified 4th in GA don't compete? Just a few thou off
Rhodes isn't competing?
4th to you for a motor of the money is competing ? I guess purple cams and pinion snubber are here forever lol
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Re: Where is the big reveal on the killer sb heads.
[Re: fishy340]
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10/07/14 10:59 PM
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Haven't seen one in an under 3000lb car yet. Don't know what bad fishes car is.
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Re: Where is the big reveal on the killer sb heads.
[Re: 72Swinger]
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10/07/14 11:17 PM
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Btw.... Almost forgot....
The " big reveal" if I remember right was teased about on several threads recently by one of our Australian posters. Don't remember which one... Would have to go dig it up
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Re: Where is the big reveal on the killer sb heads.
[Re: Dunnuck Racing]
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10/08/14 03:33 PM
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I remember a thread about the eddy victor SB head and they said "june" then someone else said they would be revealing another new head all together by the end of that week, still have not heard from either  again I say, give us an aluminum W2, Indy is too much money with too low quality, heck pro-comp has less complaints maybe they should do the aluminum W2. A w2 makes plenty of power for the average guy, a little home porting and you can do 600 HP with out fragile max ported stock junk. I have been keeping mumm about this for a while because every one says all 360 blocks are basically the same but the 5.9 magnum block can handle significantly more power than a 340 block or 92 back 360. A couple things to think about and look at, the pan rail around 2 and 4 mains has a lot more meat, kind of like a TA, and I don't see way better sonic numbers but I bet you would have a lot harder time busting a cylinder wall, try grinding some notches to clearance one for a stroker crank, then try it in the old LA block and see which one is tougher to grind on  Not to mention the outer wall is thicker with the extra mount bosses, expecially the 2002-2003 blocks got to help with flexing. Oh and you get a roller cam included with every core, this is the one we need an aluminum W2 for. Go take a look with the two blocks sitting next to each other
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Re: Where is the big reveal on the killer sb heads.
[Re: fishy340]
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10/08/14 06:53 PM
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I'm not scared of change,I just don't want one of them.
Who the hell wants to spend 6 grand on an unmachined alum block and the cost of all the bells and whistles to go mid 9's when it can be done with a stock 340 and procomp heads.
Mopar is out of their minds and trying to force this on their tiny amount of diehard fans.
I know there is a pro charged one in x275 w billed heads,but to be honest it don't compete and cost I bet 60+ grand.JMO
Rob Goss that qualified 4th in GA don't compete? Just a few thou off
Rhodes isn't competing?
4th to you for a motor of the money is competing ? I guess purple cams and pinion snubber are here forever lol
4 out of 32 of the nations fastest is definitely competing. Rhodes won it, I guarantee his motor isn't cheap. Goes is the fastest small tire Mopar I know of since he's been 4.50's (Rhodes also runs .50's) so I guess I will ask you. What does it take to impress you? How do you define competing? 
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Re: Where is the big reveal on the killer sb heads.
[Re: Dunnuck Racing]
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10/08/14 10:27 PM
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I thought this was a small block head post, not an LA versus Gen3 post?
Keith
Believe it is.... or was. The smell of death in the small block circles in overwhelming. Dinosaur heads, no blocks..... Is that a sunset I'm riding off into?
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Re: Where is the big reveal on the killer sb heads.
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10/08/14 11:05 PM
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I thought this was a small block head post, not an LA versus Gen3 post?
Keith
Believe it is.... or was. The smell of death in the small block circles in overwhelming. Dinosaur heads, no blocks..... Is that a sunset I'm riding off into?
I don't think LA stuff is dinosaur, but it is hard to ignore factory parts that will compete with exotic race parts of a motor from a previous generation...Even more so when the parts from the previous generation are getting harder to come by, and promises for new development never seem to come to fruition.
Oh wait, we're Mopar guys...of course we'll ignore it and acknowledge only the downsides, and the aftermarket of the G3 hemi will never be as good as it could be because of that...I wonder why LS stuff is so cheap and plentiful?
My post isn't directed at anyone here in particular...It is just frustrating that we are promised or told about new LA parts, whatever they may be, are coming, but they don't usually seem to make it to reality...As much as the G3 is awesome, I will probably be racing with an LA for a long while, so it would be nice to see new developments actually hit the market and be worth their weight (there is never anything wrong with options!) ..but with the current trend in LA product development, I wish I started with a G3 
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Re: Where is the big reveal on the killer sb heads.
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