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Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG! [Re: slammedR/T] #1666628 09/04/14 02:00 PM 09/04/14 02:00 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376 D dogdays I Live Here
dogdays I Live Here D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,376	RONG! Diesel oils may be exempt from that exactly, but they are still reducing the ZDDP or other additives for other reasons germane to modern emission systems on compression ignition engines. And, for what it's worth, it's not the zinc, it's the phosphorus that harms the converters. But the molecule contains both, so reduce one and reduce the other. R.

Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG! [Re: BradH] #1666629 09/04/14 02:48 PM 09/04/14 02:48 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,318 State of confusion T Thumperdart I Live Here
Thumperdart I Live Here T Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 19,318 State of confusion	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Welcome back Brad! Brad's gone... I killed that a$$hole for taking too long to get his junk back together. - Lars Peart (a.k.a. Drummer 1-3/4) Guess I`m not the only drummer who`s "Bumped his head"......... I think I need a bigger bump to my head to make me forget this forum even exists. Naw, it`s fun arguing w/people who know everything......... 72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....

Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG! [Re: BradH] #1666630 09/04/14 06:20 PM 09/04/14 06:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	Quote: Sorry for apparently wasting everyone's time on here. This forum simply isn't what it used to be from an engine tech perspective. I'll be far more selective in what I bother to post or respond to in the future and will leave the threads to others. please do because all i see is a whiner..

Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG! [Re: Quicktree] #1666631 09/04/14 08:47 PM 09/04/14 08:47 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,128 Salt Lake City C camastomcat top fuel
camastomcat top fuel C Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,128 Salt Lake City	Sometimes I wonder how many still race here. It looks like y'all chased another one off......I'm not sure I agree with everything he said but, I'm the first one to admit I didn't have the knowledge it sounded like he had about oil. Oh....I buy the good stuff, just because.

Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG! [Re: camastomcat] #1666632 09/04/14 10:15 PM 09/04/14 10:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 795 Glendale Az D Darryls-Demon super stock
Darryls-Demon super stock D Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 795 Glendale Az	The SB that I sold not long ago had 9500 street miles on it and about 65 passes at the track. The solid roller lifters are still going strong and I used what ever 10-30 weight synthetic oil that was on sale.

Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG! [Re: Darryls-Demon] #1666633 09/05/14 01:36 AM 09/05/14 01:36 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,571 Downtown Roebuck Ont Twostick Still wishing...
Twostick Still wishing... Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,571 Downtown Roebuck Ont	Virgin Oil Analysis for Rotella T6 5w40 Syn from http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/. Kevin 8261615-voa_Rotella5W-40T6.jpg (146 downloads)

Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG! [Re: Twostick] #1666634 09/05/14 04:04 AM 09/05/14 04:04 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 610 White Creek, NY 408cuda mopar
408cuda mopar Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 610 White Creek, NY	No facts to add but I would tend to agree there are plenty of other areas that can use the help still. How much is needed? I don't know. I swear years ago before anyone talked of this issue I read an article on the down sides of too much zddp. But this was centered around additives like GM EOS. Now I run this stuff Cenpeco and have mentioned it here a few times but nobody knows it exists Fwiw I think Carl Hinkson (CNC blocks northeast) from speedtalk is a fan as well. A pretty sharp fella as I recall. And I doubt Jesel is in bed with the oil companies! That is some conspiracy Don't take any of it personally it's an online (fantasy world, where people don't act as they would face to face) message board. We're all here to learn right?

Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG! [Re: 408cuda] #1666635 09/05/14 08:32 AM 09/05/14 08:32 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	you can't make a post and then gripe about the response. show me the modern day oil that will cause engine failure? what brand? some people are so dam sensitive, they should stay in the house knitting or something.

Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG! [Re: BradH] #1666636 09/05/14 09:16 AM 09/05/14 09:16 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 403 southern Maryland K keefe mopar
keefe mopar K Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 403 southern Maryland	Quote: Ya' know, I took 3 months off from posting here and this is my first thread since May. I decide to post this oil info from the maker of $1500+ roller lifters and half of you just want to get into a pi$$in' contest over how it's not good advice and how running Wal-Mart brand is all you need. This place makes no sense... ...LOL 1971 duster twister 440, 3380#,509 M/P hyd,906's,full Exhaust,11.06@117.46 1/4,6.95@ 97.03 1/8,1.497 60ft.....

Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG! [Re: BradH] #1666637 09/05/14 11:38 AM 09/05/14 11:38 AM
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,169 CT GTX MATT master
GTX MATT master Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,169 CT	Quote: Chevy put ti rods and ultra light pistons in their modern LS7 small block because the Mobil 1 5w30 they "swear by" as their factory fill oil couldn't maintain adequate film strength in durability testing with more normal weight parts... and that's only a 500 HP (SAE net) hydraulic roller street engine. For what its worth this is not the first time I've heard of issues with Mobil 1 5/30 film strength, apparently it loses film strength very quickly with use. Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street

Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG! [Re: jamesc] #1666638 09/05/14 11:45 AM 09/05/14 11:45 AM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,165 Left Coast B BobR master
BobR master B Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,165 Left Coast	Quote: trust me this is not a smart remark either but you don't know as much about oil as you think. another thing to consider is that VERY, VERY few engine problems can be attributed to oil. more often than not it's oil delivery problems and/or improper assembly craftsmanship. last i researched shell still had a decent amount of ZDDP in it. oil quality would be low on my list of factors when diagnosing a failure This. If you are unsure add a quart of Lucas stabilizer.

Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG! [Re: Twostick] #1666639 09/05/14 12:43 PM 09/05/14 12:43 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 733 jacksonville,FLORIDA slammedR/T super stock
slammedR/T super stock Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 733 jacksonville,FLORIDA	Quote: Virgin Oil Analysis for Rotella T6 5w40 Syn from http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/. Kevin I seem to remember some one on here stating that rotella T still had high levels of zinc and phosphrous??? wonder who that smart butt was??? 2000 Dakota R/T, 408 magnum, 727, Indy heads 1000cfm 4150 carb, 93 octane fuel. motor; 10.258 @ 132.78 200 shot; 9.262 @ 144.69 racemagnum

Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG! [Re: slammedR/T] #1666640 09/05/14 02:57 PM 09/05/14 02:57 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,786 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,786 Bitopia	However, formulations change, and that test is from 2010, and we can only guess when the tested oil was produced. Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG! [Re: jcc] #1666641 09/05/14 03:20 PM 09/05/14 03:20 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,571 Downtown Roebuck Ont Twostick Still wishing...
Twostick Still wishing... Joined: May 2003 Posts: 6,571 Downtown Roebuck Ont	Quote: However, formulations change, and that test is from 2010, and we can only guess when the tested oil was produced. That's why I included the link. There are hundreds of VOA's for every brand of oil you can imagine posted there. If you really want to know what is in today's formulation, just stop by any heavy truck dealer and buy an oil sample kit, get a quart of your favorite flavor of oil and send some of it in. $20-$30. Kevin.

Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG! [Re: Twostick] #1666642 09/05/14 03:55 PM 09/05/14 03:55 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 733 jacksonville,FLORIDA slammedR/T super stock
slammedR/T super stock Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 733 jacksonville,FLORIDA	Quote: Quote: However, formulations change, and that test is from 2010, and we can only guess when the tested oil was produced. That's why I included the link. There are hundreds of VOA's for every brand of oil you can imagine posted there. If you really want to know what is in today's formulation, just stop by any heavy truck dealer and buy an oil sample kit, get a quart of your favorite flavor of oil and send some of it in. $20-$30. Kevin. I still got two blackstone sample bottles, I might have that done. 2000 Dakota R/T, 408 magnum, 727, Indy heads 1000cfm 4150 carb, 93 octane fuel. motor; 10.258 @ 132.78 200 shot; 9.262 @ 144.69 racemagnum

Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG! [Re: slammedR/T] #1666643 09/05/14 09:19 PM 09/05/14 09:19 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,943 San Angelo, Texas, U.S.A. 1968RR top fuel
1968RR top fuel Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,943 San Angelo, Texas, U.S.A.	NAA ZDDP oil analysis results for popular brands: https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rt=all&vc=1 Phosphorus is what harms cats, but it is also the part of ZDDPs that provide anti-wear protection. I was told by K. Tyger (who works for Brad Penn) that ZDDP concentrations exceeding 1800 ppm can cause corrosion inhibitors to become less effective, resulting in an increase in corrosion-related issues. "When I'm in a slump, I comfort myself by saying if I believe in dinosaurs, then somewhere, they must be believing in me. And if they believe in me, then I can believe in me." - Mookie Wilson

Re: "Don't need hi zinc oil since I run a roller" - WRONG! [Re: BradH] #1666644 09/06/14 04:10 PM 09/06/14 04:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,450 So Cal Sinitro master
Sinitro master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,450 So Cal	Absolutely ironic... Everyone is talking about the zinc.. But no mention is made about the cheaper camshaft cores made in China out of recycled materials.. Just my $0.02...

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