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Re: 1968 Hemi Dodge Dart rear wheel well template help....
[Re: autoxcuda]
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09/01/14 09:40 PM
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This is a picture of a Hemi Dart at the Hurst lot getting picked up. Can't get more original than that.
You can see the burn marks from the brazing.
Also notice the white gas cap. Gas caps are all painted off the car and installed after the body was painted and the gas tank and filler tube are installed. The production line does not make primer colored gas caps.
And check out the white painted head pipe with glasspack on the end.
Last edited by autoxcuda; 09/01/14 09:43 PM.
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Re: 1968 Hemi Dodge Dart rear wheel well template help....
[Re: Rhinodart]
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09/01/14 09:47 PM
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In other words, anyway you want to do it would be correct.  My wheel wells are indeed a lot larger than they were originally intended, I just went out to the garage to check them out again. I am leaving mine alone as they were in 1974 in modified eliminator. 
A lot of different approaches to restoring a race car. Race cars evolve and change over time. I know were looking for/got those rims in that picture. So are you restoring it to its 1974 configuration?
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Re: 1968 Hemi Dodge Dart rear wheel well template help....
[Re: autoxcuda]
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09/01/14 10:04 PM
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This is a picture of a Hemi Dart at the Hurst lot getting picked up. Can't get more original than that.
You can see the burn marks from the brazing.
Depends on how 'surgical' you want to get...
Which is why I mentioned SA...
Last I knew, he was in possession of two Hurst Darts...
Probably have some input on 'dimensions'(at least by 1968 standards)...
Tarozzi was in on the 'Test Mule' 'Cuda, but I wouldn't be surprised if he'd have input on the Dart 'modifications'...
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Re: 1968 Hemi Dodge Dart rear wheel well template help....
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09/01/14 10:17 PM
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When we did my wheel openings, I made a copy of the Oreilly's template in black and a template of the front wheel openings in black. That way I could tape each one on the side of the car to get a feel for how each one would look. The Oreilly template was similar to the front wheel opening, but not exact. After cutting enough wheel well out to bolt up one of the wheel and tires that were going on the car, I ended up with the opening as a bit of a compromise between the two. Ignore the photographer on the ground. He's getting a shot of the Chebbie that got sucked up the tailpipe. 
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Re: 1968 Hemi Dodge Dart rear wheel well template help....
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09/01/14 10:54 PM
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The pic of the Poison Dart and the #2 pic from the OP both look like the front of the opening leaves the bottom of the car at an angle. That will work IF the rear of the car is well above the tire or if the tire is rather short.
Many, if not most front openings go nearly straight up from the bottom of the car to the lower body line. That makes for more tire room at the top of the front. (if that makes any sense)
Mocking up with the springs and wheel/tire combo that you will be using may affect your decision on a few angles and such. There does seem to be a lot of room for interpretation on this.
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Re: 1968 Hemi Dodge Dart rear wheel well template help....
[Re: RSNOMO]
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09/01/14 11:07 PM
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This is a picture of a Hemi Dart at the Hurst lot getting picked up. Can't get more original than that.
You can see the burn marks from the brazing.
Depends on how 'surgical' you want to get...
Which is why I mentioned SA...
Last I knew, he was in possession of two Hurst Darts...
Probably have some input on 'dimensions'(at least by 1968 standards)...
Tarozzi was in on the 'Test Mule' 'Cuda, but I wouldn't be surprised if he'd have input on the Dart 'modifications'...
Tarrozzi was "in" on everything. The test mule was just verification.
I've talked to Tarrozzi a few times in the last couple years about the test mule car. The car had at least one different paint scheme. The one pictured was the one used in the articles that went to press. Bob used a 68 sales brochure and drew over a Barracuda to get the design. Still has that brochure with the paint codes he picked!
There is some debate whether that car is a 67 or 68. But Bob told me it came from the test pool. Cars initial testing with, mistakes, etc. Many of those cars got cut up to make test rigs to do things like endurance tests to open and close doors 1000's of times, or run wiper motors over and over... There would not be a leftover 67 in that test pool. And you can see in the magazine it has holes in the lower dash for 68 only lower dash pads. They are just removed. And it has 68 Deluxe door panels. The production BO cars didn't have deluxe door panels, but this was the car/body Chrysler let this use/make for testing.
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Re: 1968 Hemi Dodge Dart rear wheel well template help....
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09/01/14 11:21 PM
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Re: 1968 Hemi Dodge Dart rear wheel well template help....
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09/02/14 05:11 AM
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The real issue we run into on these cars is that as new they were race cars at a time when most racers updated a car every year and the small lot # made (80/83 seems to be the accepted #s) makes it hard to verify details, ie most wore 270 trim but Harry Holten had 1 in gts trim. Also as they were delivered/ picked-up in a condition similar to Troy's car, but not as pristine, many racers changed things to their liking. I started my project in 2001 when I bought my set of van seats and didn't finish it until 2010 when a major health issue sidelined my bracket racing, but during those 9 yrs I attended the nats and Jeff Johnson's and then Charlie Blankenship's race series trying to gather info about the cars and what I was confronted with was original cars that had been updated to race specs or race clones that were close facsimiles (which is where mine falls in except it is a street car) most of my info was gathered via period magazines I picked up at those events and on eBay. Although most magazine info is good stories are sometimes embellished so info can be misleading. In 2008 I was fortunate enough to have the Quaker city hemi reunion in my home area and learned a ton of info there and also Daryl (liteweight on moparts) started his class racer blog which is full of info (imo you owe it to yourself to check that out if your interested in these cars) plus I've been fortunate to meet 3 local owners of the cars that have given me info. My car is a 67 that I changed to a 68 and the #1 thing I've learned about lo23s is as simple as the info should be (only 1 option when ordering them) it isn't so simple after all these yrs so make it close to,original and enjoy it as the majority of people that look at it won't know the difference! as stated earlier, just my experience/opinion.
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Re: 1968 Hemi Dodge Dart rear wheel well template help....
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09/05/14 09:39 PM
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Re: 1968 Hemi Dodge Dart rear wheel well template help....
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09/05/14 10:31 PM
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I mini tubbed and cut up a 69 satellite in 68 Ramcharger fashion when I was 18. I used the front bright wheel lip moldings as templates. Taped em on and drew with a sharpie. Boom. They turned out great. If that's what you are using as a guide that's an easy way to follow the contour instead of cardboard or paper stencils.
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