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426 HemiWedge - weird animal from Petty #1665803
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Hi there,

I have a genuine HemiWedge, which was built by Maurice Petty and raced in NASCAR by both Richard Petty and Hershel McGriff. It is a 1969 HEMI block that was modified to accept Wedge heads. This was done in 1973-1976, when the HEMI had to run a way too small restrictor plate. So switching to Wedge heads allowed to run less restrictor plate and hence make more power. It runs the same crank, rods and in-pan dry sump system as the NASCAR HEMI, but has wedge heads, wedge pistons and a wedge camshaft.

Here is a link to some technical specs:
http://www.olympia-charger.com/2010/04/original-oly-express-426-wedge-v8-returns-home.html

And here is a link about how I got it:
http://www.olympia-charger.com/2012/09/p...at-le-mans.html


I'd be interested to know more about these engines in order to make mine even better and possibly race it once in a while in my Dodge Charger.

Any information is greatly appreciated

Re: 426 HemiWedge - weird animal from Petty [Re: docford] #1665804
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Hi there,

I have a genuine HemiWedge, which was built by Maurice Petty and raced in NASCAR by both Richard Petty and Hershel McGriff. It is a 1969 HEMI block that was modified to accept Wedge heads. This was done in 1973-1976, when the HEMI had to run a way too small restrictor plate. So switching to Wedge heads allowed to run less restrictor plate and hence make more power. It runs the same crank, rods and in-pan dry sump system as the NASCAR HEMI, but has wedge heads, wedge pistons and a wedge camshaft.

Here is a link to some technical specs:
http://www.olympia-charger.com/2010/04/original-oly-express-426-wedge-v8-returns-home.html

And here is a link about how I got it:
http://www.olympia-charger.com/2012/09/p...at-le-mans.html


I'd be interested to know more about these engines in order to make mine even better and possibly race it once in a while in my Dodge Charger.

Any information is greatly appreciated





We bought 6 of those blocks from Petty years ago.The last one we had left went to Ron McCelland in Beaverdale(Buds Auto Sales.He still has it.Threaded plugs were used to fill the valley bolt holes and the pattern was redrilled for the wedge head,plugs were also installed in the oil drain back holes at the lower deck corners and the lifter valley was clearenced for pushrods.

Re: 426 HemiWedge - weird animal from Petty [Re: B G Racing] #1665805
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Hi All, I worked at Diamond Racing Engines, in 1973 through 1976! In January of 1974 we finished porting a set of wedge heads for Richard Petty's car for Daytona in February's race! If i remember correctly it had the same port layout as the W2 small block heads?? If you guy's have any picture's of the head's that would be great!! Thanks Dwayne

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Thanks for the feedback

I'd love to know more about the heads too ! For now, we just have stock 906 heads on it with a mild Lunati solid roller cam (Part #60330 .555/.566 lift 231°/237° @050). We picked the mild cam because we are limited by the stock heads. The motor makes about 400 HP now. I'd love to bolt on better heads!

Re: 426 HemiWedge - weird animal from Petty [Re: dwayne welder] #1665807
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Hi All, I worked at Diamond Racing Engines, in 1973 through 1976! In January of 1974 we finished porting a set of wedge heads for Richard Petty's car for Daytona in February's race! If i remember correctly it had the same port layout as the W2 small block heads?? If you guy's have any picture's of the head's that would be great!! Thanks Dwayne




The 74 Petty Catalog looks to have Max Wedge head in their parts pictures.

Do you know they used your heads and kept using them? Wonder if they sent heads to various people to see what people would come up with.




There are some pictures of a W-2 like B-engine head in the Mopar Performance book by Larry Scheib. pg 92 and 93.

The book says these heads didn't show improvement. But said further development may have showed improvement, but the project was shelved. And that with the trend of smaller motors (1978) there was likely to be more development.






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Re: 426 HemiWedge - weird animal from Petty [Re: autoxcuda] #1665808
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WOW!!!!! Those are them!!!!! I know we never flowed them, because we didn't get are flowbench untill mid year of 1975! By the way if you look up who won the Daytona 500 in february of 1974, I believe it was Richard Petty!!! Keep the imfo flowing this is great stuff!!!! Thanks Dwayne

Re: 426 HemiWedge - weird animal from Petty [Re: dwayne welder] #1665809
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WOW!!!!! Those are them!!!!! I know we never flowed them, because we didn't get are flowbench untill mid year of 1975! By the way if you look up who won the Daytona 500 in february of 1974, I believe it was Richard Petty!!! Keep the imfo flowing this is great stuff!!!! Thanks Dwayne




The pictures look like the head is aluminum? The port work looks so white-ish. But just black and white photos.

Did you continue to supply Petty with heads or just for Daytona?

I wonder if Petty or Chrysler flowed them after you guys were done with them though.

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Re: 426 HemiWedge - weird animal from Petty [Re: autoxcuda] #1665810
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High Auto, There were cast iron heads!! I don't remember how many set's we did? What thee other thing that's not been brought up is what the intake look like??? I know back then they would run an engine a couple or more race's before rebuild's!!!!1974 was the last year of the big block i think?? After that they went small blocks!!!! Keep all the great imfo coming!!! Thanks Dwayne

Re: 426 HemiWedge - weird animal from Petty [Re: dwayne welder] #1665811
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Here is the 74 PE catalog.

As usual, the parts you buy from a winning team aren't exactly the one they win with.


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Another from PE catalog


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The intake they list.


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Re: 426 HemiWedge - weird animal from Petty [Re: docford] #1665814
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hi ,

i have one piston and hemi rod assembly from one of those engines .
cool pice of nastalga history !

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Interesting stuff. A friend in Olympia, who worked on the McGriff team, told me that they used Dodge 440 motorhome heads to start with. Would you know what is special with those and what casting number they have ?

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Interesting stuff. A friend in Olympia, who worked on the McGriff team, told me that they used Dodge 440 motorhome heads to start with. Would you know what is special with those and what casting number they have ?




I think the casting number is #3751213 and the coolant passages have a figure 8 shape too match the block. They might move some extra water but not that much more.

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had better cooling around the plugs I guess it would stabilize the heat range of the plugs better in a heat soaked engine running under load for many miles at a time

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I don't have anything constructive to add, but I'd like to say that this thread is awesome.


My Build thread: Let the hemi swap begin!

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So the PE Catalog list part number #3751667.

Anyone have a way to find out what part number 3751667 is?


OK, I am looking at the that head picture page... It's hard to read, but I think the casting number on the underside of the head reads: 3462340 or 3462348 or 3462346

I'll assume that is a 3462346 head.

That's what's in the picture. I'd be interested in what that part number corresponded to.

If you look at that part number page, Petty offered a port and polished wedge head and a wedge head complete and blueprinted.

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RE: 213 head. Some, but not all, got extra cooling holes near the spark plug, which was the "extra cooling" that other heads didn't have. They were small, maybe 5/32 diameter. These heads also used the 5/8" peanut plugs.

I have a pair of 213s that I took off a 400 in a passenger car and they use the regular plugs and have no cooling holes at the plug.

It has been my opinion on looking at a few different 213s that they had slightly smaller ports, nothing huge but looked that way to me. Could have been casting differences, I guess.

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RE: 213 head. Some, but not all, got extra cooling holes near the spark plug, which was the "extra cooling" that other heads didn't have. They were small, maybe 5/32 diameter. These heads also used the 5/8" peanut plugs.

I have a pair of 213s that I took off a 400 in a passenger car and they use the regular plugs and have no cooling holes at the plug.

It has been my opinion on looking at a few different 213s that they had slightly smaller ports, nothing huge but looked that way to me. Could have been casting differences, I guess.

R.




I had a set of Paul Rossi Street fighter heads I bought back in 1988 that were 452's, they had the peanut plugs and cooling passages around them.

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Neat engine remember it when auctioned. Here is a picture of the car it most likely rested in at one time as it was bought at same auction same owner. 1968 barracuda all fiberglass body with an art Morrison super car chassis, dana 60 under it, pretty much state of the art at the time when built and weighed under 2300lbs with 426. They used the original body to make a mold off of and rumor I heard at the time was it started life as a real BO29 car that he (prior owner) kept modifying till there was nothing left of original car. Never verified but did go to prior owners place to pick some extras after auction and saw the front fenders, bumper grille assy. all metal parts seemed very thin. must have been nice to have unlimited funds to spend for a while.

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