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Re: Possible to lessen choppy idle due to cam? [Re: dogdays] #1662799
08/30/14 04:38 PM
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You basically have two threads running on the same topic.

We finally got enough information and it seems to me that your ignition is set up right. Your mechanic is good.

Spend the money on a new camshaft, the next smaller one, I believe it's a 274, has 224 @ 50 on the intake.

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Yep.

Hitting a number on a Dyno is not that hard nowdays. It's objective goal that everyone understands.

Idle sound, idle quality, exhaust loudness at cruise, etc are all subjective things. They mean different thing to different people and they are hard to measure and predict.

You got racers who unload their cars of the trailers at the track who think anything not needing earplugs is tame. Then guys who consider their cars "daily drivers" that drive them 3 miles to the local cruise-in.

I have an out of the box XE274 in a 419" stoker. It's not bad, but I wouldn't mind if it idled quieter. Having it custom ground on a 112* lobe seperation would help too. MRL Performance uses that can with that custom centerline on many of his stroker builds.

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Re: Possible to lessen choppy idle due to cam? [Re: autoxcuda] #1662800
08/30/14 07:22 PM
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I agree AutoxCuda. I think alot is because "choppy" and "lopey" are subjective terms. I have never owned anything other than smooth idling engines. The most powerful I have had have been my Charger SRT8 and the Mopar Performance 360 in my '89. It is quite impressive. I wish Mopar still made them but they don't have the 360 block anymore. It is so strong and torquey, yet idles very smooth. But I live and learn. I believe I am already getting used to the idle a bit, and if some of the suggestions I have received help bring it down a little smoother, all the better.

Thanks all.


Facts are stubborn things.
Re: Possible to lessen choppy idle due to cam? [Re: larrymopar360] #1662801
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Someone recommended I start a new thread on ignition recommendations, so I did so.



actually my recommendation was to sort out the first problem and THEN start a new thread on upgrading the ignition. the last thing you want to do is get 2 separate issues going on your motor. there's nothing wrong with what you have right now..

Re: Possible to lessen choppy idle due to cam? [Re: mikemee1331] #1662802
08/30/14 07:36 PM
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Someone recommended I start a new thread on ignition recommendations, so I did so.



actually my recommendation was to sort out the first problem and THEN start a new thread on upgrading the ignition. the last thing you want to do is get 2 separate issues going on your motor. there's nothing wrong with what you have right now..


I gotch ya. I think everything is fine with what I got now. I still want to upgrade the ignition, even though I really shouldn't spend the money. Thanks.


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Re: Possible to lessen choppy idle due to cam? [Re: scratchnfotraction] #1662803
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good info here Larry, not your average engine swap on a M-body cop car adding those huge pipes under there. they did look like like a top notch shop when I picked the 318 up.

I need to get over there on a weekend again for the 'ride'


The ride? You mean the drive. You will be driving it!


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Re: Possible to lessen choppy idle due to cam? [Re: larrymopar360] #1662804
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I agree AutoxCuda. I think alot is because "choppy" and "lopey" are subjective terms. I have never owned anything other than smooth idling engines. The most powerful I have had have been my Charger SRT8 and the Mopar Performance 360 in my '89. It is quite impressive. I wish Mopar still made them but they don't have the 360 block anymore. It is so strong and torquey, yet idles very smooth. But I live and learn. I believe I am already getting used to the idle a bit, and if some of the suggestions I have received help bring it down a little smoother, all the better.

Thanks all.




That old MP 360 with 300 HP is a whole different animal than a 410 with an XR280HR-10 that should be 450HP/500TQ +++.

So how does the performance compare between 410" XR280HR-10 cammed Dippy compared to your crate MP 360 Dippy??

I'm thinking the first one is downright Dippy-Trippy.

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Re: Possible to lessen choppy idle due to cam? [Re: autoxcuda] #1662805
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I agree AutoxCuda. I think alot is because "choppy" and "lopey" are subjective terms. I have never owned anything other than smooth idling engines. The most powerful I have had have been my Charger SRT8 and the Mopar Performance 360 in my '89. It is quite impressive. I wish Mopar still made them but they don't have the 360 block anymore. It is so strong and torquey, yet idles very smooth. But I live and learn. I believe I am already getting used to the idle a bit, and if some of the suggestions I have received help bring it down a little smoother, all the better.

Thanks all.




That old MP 360 with 300 HP is a whole different animal than a 410 with an XR280HR-10 that should be 450HP/500TQ +++.

So how does the performance compare between 410" XR280HR-10 cammed Dippy compared to your crate MP 360 Dippy??

I'm thinking the first one is downright Dippy-Trippy.


I haven't really wound out the 410 yet. It is real strong, I can feel that. It's going to take a few hard runs for me to really tell. But what I can say is I am even more impressed with the MP 360 than I already was. There was probably some sloppy assembly on some of them, but as far as the combination of parts and cost when they were making them, really very hard to beat!

I can tell in the 410, even with rolling starts it will smoke the tires. The 360 will smoke them too, but not in a rolling start. Both have 2.94 gears and same stock rims and 235/70/15 tires.


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Re: Possible to lessen choppy idle due to cam? [Re: larrymopar360] #1662806
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I agree AutoxCuda. I think alot is because "choppy" and "lopey" are subjective terms. I have never owned anything other than smooth idling engines. The most powerful I have had have been my Charger SRT8 and the Mopar Performance 360 in my '89. It is quite impressive. I wish Mopar still made them but they don't have the 360 block anymore. It is so strong and torquey, yet idles very smooth. But I live and learn. I believe I am already getting used to the idle a bit, and if some of the suggestions I have received help bring it down a little smoother, all the better.

Thanks all.




That old MP 360 with 300 HP is a whole different animal than a 410 with an XR280HR-10 that should be 450HP/500TQ +++.

So how does the performance compare between 410" XR280HR-10 cammed Dippy compared to your crate MP 360 Dippy??

I'm thinking the first one is downright Dippy-Trippy.




I haven't really wound out the 410 yet. It is real strong, I can feel that. It's going to take a few hard runs for me to really tell. But what I can say is I am even more impressed with the MP 360 than I already was. There was probably some sloppy assembly on some of them, but as far as the combination of parts and cost when they were making them, really very hard to beat!

I can tell in the 410, even with rolling starts it will smoke the tires. The 360 will smoke them too, but not in a rolling start. Both have 2.94 gears and same stock rims and 235/70/15 tires.




Sounds like more motor than the car handle on the street. How about some 275 drag radials in the rear? Those tall tires and gears...hope your last name is Goodyear or Goodrich...



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Re: Possible to lessen choppy idle due to cam? [Re: larrymopar360] #1662807
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good info here Larry, not your average engine swap on a M-body cop car adding those huge pipes under there. they did look like like a top notch shop when I picked the 318 up.

I need to get over there on a weekend again for the 'ride'


The ride? You mean the drive. You will be driving it!




I will bring tires

Re: Possible to lessen choppy idle due to cam? [Re: larrymopar360] #1662808
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good info here Larry, not your average engine swap on a M-body cop car adding those huge pipes under there. they did look like like a top notch shop when I picked the 318 up.

I need to get over there on a weekend again for the 'ride'


The ride? You mean the drive. You will be driving it!



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