Re: Suspension Advice Regarding my 69 Satellite Wagon
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08/20/14 05:59 PM
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Word of caution on SS brake lines. Extremely difficult to bend and flare. Be prepared to chase leaks. Suggestion... Take the lines to a brake shop where they have a hydraulic flaring machine.
Appreciate it, but they're already pre-bent and flared.
And jcc, I'm 25 and the car isn't a DD, but I'm hoping its around long enough for me to turn 40.
SS lines were an extra $20 - I figured it was worth it since I don't have to mess with them ever again.
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Re: Suspension Advice Regarding my 69 Satellite Wagon
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08/20/14 09:04 PM
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Well the SS lines will be. Interesting build/owner combination BTW
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Re: Suspension Advice Regarding my 69 Satellite Wagon
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08/21/14 01:21 PM
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Well the SS lines will be.
Interesting build/owner combination BTW
Ha, thanks! Most of my friends just refer to me by the much more concise "crazy".
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Re: Suspension Advice Regarding my 69 Satellite Wagon
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08/21/14 09:26 PM
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I have a 67 Coronet wagon that I used all Firm Feel parts on this project. (not saying I don't like Hotchkis, as I do and have used in other projects.) front and rear sway bay, bilstein shocks, 1" torsion bar (they were in the shop) Had spring shop ad a leaf to the rear springs with new bushings front and rear on the springs 12" brake swap, callipers to the rear.(be careful of your brake lines, I used 69 Camero disc brake lines.) Adjustable struts, Firm Feel inner outer Tie rods and sleeves, NOS cop Steering box. 15x7 front with 245/60,15, 15x8 rear with 275/60,15. Maxxis Marauder tires. 7/8 rear wheel cylinders. Aluminum master cylinder with 15/16 bore. reinforced lower control arms with welded on plates. Car drives great, handles great, i prefer driving it over our 300c.
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Re: Suspension Advice Regarding my 69 Satellite Wagon
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10/22/14 05:20 PM
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One tip - Hotchkis rear springs will not support a wagon in as-delivered form. Found that out the hard way when the tires rested on the wheelwells off of the jack. For the price I would have just had some FF ones made up and been $ ahead by the time I paid a local spring shop to add a leaf to them.
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Re: Suspension Advice Regarding my 69 Satellite Wagon
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10/22/14 05:23 PM
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One tip - Hotchkis rear springs will not support a wagon in as-delivered form. Found that out the hard way when the tires rested on the wheelwells off of the jack. For the price I would have just had some FF ones made up and been $ ahead by the time I paid a local spring shop to add a leaf to them.
Thanks for the tip - I have talked to Hotchkis a little bit about this at Carlisle (Dan also mentioned this to me earlier in this thread) and they told me that they can do a custom rate for me based off of the AutoX taxi.
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Re: Suspension Advice Regarding my 69 Satellite Wagon
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10/23/14 12:21 AM
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You may want to consider getting it weighed. Find out the total, front, back and 4 corner amounts. It will help to nail down your spring rates. I wonder if the frame connectors would be the same compared to 2/4 door unibody.
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Re: Suspension Advice Regarding my 69 Satellite Wagon
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10/23/14 11:41 AM
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You may want to consider getting it weighed. Find out the total, front, back and 4 corner amounts. It will help to nail down your spring rates. I wonder if the frame connectors would be the same compared to 2/4 door unibody.
Yeah, I'd like to have that done - problem is that I'm not sure where I'd have it done near me.
I talked to Hotchkis about frame connectors at Carlisle as well, just to check that they didn't use a different frame connector on the Taxi. What I did know from doing my own measurements was that the four doors and wagons had the same amount of space between their front and rear frame rails as the coupes. I have to make an appointment for the car to get a set of frame connectors and torque boxes installed...
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Re: Suspension Advice Regarding my 69 Satellite Wagon
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See if you can hook up with someone that road races or does circle track. Possibly go to a local track too.
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Re: Suspension Advice Regarding my 69 Satellite Wagon
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10/24/14 04:39 PM
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See if you can hook up with someone that road races or does circle track. Possibly go to a local track too.
Yep, there are usually a shop or two and least a few racers who can help with scaling the car. Provided you are within an hour of an oval track.
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Re: Suspension Advice Regarding my 69 Satellite Wagon
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So I'm in the process of rebuilding the front end of the wagon before bringing her out for the season, and I am approaching a new parts ordering spree.
Just curious to get people's opinions on what I'm ordering and installing to see if anyone has any additional suggestions regarding some questions I have. Remember, I'm wanting something that is better than the wallowing pig I have right now, a true corner carver isn't necessarily the goal. Every part on the front end right now is worn out and appears to be straight out of 1969.
I am installing the following that I have on hand: 1.12 Torsion bars
Hellwig 55903 Tubular Front Sway Bar
Hellwig 6909 Rear Adjustable Sway Bar
FirmFeel Lower Control Arm Reinforcement Plates
Wilwood Dual Piston Caliper Brake Setup (Purchased used, I need to explore more about what I bought and what I need for a master cylinder)
Things that will be soldiering on for the time being: Factory power steering box
318 V8/A904 Automatic
The (seemingly) stock shocks. I've pondered swapping these for Monroe blues just for something to tide me over, but I'd really rather put shock money into some Hotchkis Fox units.
I'm ordering the following to be installed starting as soon as parts arrive:
Upgraded 11/16'' tie rods: 2 Moog ES440S Steering Center Link Tie Rod End
2 Moog ES355RL Steering Center Link Tie Rod End
2 Moog ES352R Steering Center Link Tie Rod End
Upper control arm rebuild until I can afford tubular ones: 2 Moog K7103 Upper Control Arm Bushings (This is the offset bushing kit to allow more adjustment.)
2 Proforged 101-10126 Greasable Upper Ball Joint
Lower control arm rebuild: 1 Proforged 120-10005 Greasable Lower Control Arm Pivot Shaft Kit
1 Proforged 115-10034 Polyurethane Lower Control Arm Bushings (Little confused here, does the 120-10005 kit come with these? In the pictures it looks like it does, so I probably don't need these - I'll call Proforged)
1 Proforged 101-10129 Greasable Left Lower Ball Joint
1 Proforged 101-10128 Greasable Right Lower Ball Joint
I'm planning to reuse my stock strut rods, but use: 1 Energy Suspension Polyurethane 5.7109G Strut Rod Bushing Kit on them
Optional items that I'm considering: Proforged 116-10026 Fast Ratio Pitman and Idler Arm Kit - will the fast ratio stuff be worthwhile? These together are almost $200 from everywhere, and I'll pay it if the driving experience is worth it.
Proforged 105-10049 Billet Aluminum Tie Rod Sleeves - These would swap for the Moog ES440Ss and are expensive - the supplied information claims greater adjustment out of them, but I'm not sure if there is a real benefit. Cost differential is about $25, but I'm sort of at the point where every little bit helps.
Proforged 114-10009 Torsion Bar Lock and Seal Kit - again, not sure whether I need these or if they're just a luxury
I'd like to get this stuff ordered here in the next few days so that at least some parts are in my hands on Saturday.
Thoughts, feelings, criticisms from the Corner Carvers who are more knowledgeable than I?
Thanks!
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