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Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: bigtimeauto] #1657870 08/12/14 06:24 PM 08/12/14 06:24 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,404 Chesterfield Twp. Mi. J John Burdine pro stock
John Burdine pro stock J Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,404 Chesterfield Twp. Mi.	bigtime, your front tires are nicely tucked under the front fenders for an alterkation, shorter control arms???

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: John Burdine] #1657871 08/12/14 06:51 PM 08/12/14 06:51 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA bigtimeauto Trophy Winner
bigtimeauto Trophy Winner Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA	Quote: bigtime, your front tires are nicely tucked under the front fenders for an alterkation, shorter control arms??? yes I took .750 out of them. I think bill will do it also if you ask when you order it. BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: bigtimeauto] #1657872 08/12/14 07:00 PM 08/12/14 07:00 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,528 Mansfield, Tx Jacob Pitt master
Jacob Pitt master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,528 Mansfield, Tx	My Alterkation has 3.5" of travel, Bob's has 6" with more available by trimming the upper control arm stops. Again I'm not bad mouthing either or saying one is better. I have photos of both cars with the frontend in the air and I aligned both cars. Neither have any kind of bump steer issues. 2013 NHRA D4 Stock Champ #4 in the World IHRA Stock 2x IHRA Div.4 Stock Champ 14x Track Champ All using a Ultimate Converter Concepts converter. Call Lenny today 704-892-6837

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: Jacob Pitt] #1657873 08/12/14 07:42 PM 08/12/14 07:42 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,696 Bitopia	Quote: Neither have any kind of bump steer issues. Measured or noticeable? Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: Jacob Pitt] #1657874 08/12/14 07:44 PM 08/12/14 07:44 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,101 cincinnati ohio M mcat4321 master
mcat4321 master M Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,101 cincinnati ohio	i have had both altercation and hemiDenny.. i just put the HD on over the winter. i would recommend the HD... i did the complete front suspension with disc brakes for right at $3k. can not come close to that price with AK...

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: Jacob Pitt] #1657875 08/12/14 10:57 PM 08/12/14 10:57 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA bigtimeauto Trophy Winner
bigtimeauto Trophy Winner Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA	Quote: My Alterkation has 3.5" of travel, Bob's has 6" with more available by trimming the upper control arm stops. Again I'm not bad mouthing either or saying one is better. I have photos of both cars with the frontend in the air and I aligned both cars. Neither have any kind of bump steer issues. my alerkation has 5" from my ride height BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: bigtimeauto] #1657876 08/12/14 11:04 PM 08/12/14 11:04 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa 1967dartgt master
1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	Quote: Does anybody know how much travel the Alterkation has? How much a stock front end has? how much the other aftermarket front ends have? How far can you extend the front before the ball joint angle becomes severe and tries to break? I mean if were going to say one is lacking lets see what it has in relation to the others. I mean with all of this travel I would love to see the bump steer measurements on these long travel front ends I have never found a reason to measure any front end travel but maybe I will start making notes.... Really need to set up go pro on front end. My travel is limited by my coil over, which is the same shock they sell you for a stock front end. I have never tied down the front end yet, but like being able to loosen it up for the second qualifier at Cecil when the suns on the track. I also run radials which are a little more sensitive to tracks. I have not had traction issues since I switched my suspension around. Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: J_BODY] #1657877 08/12/14 11:22 PM 08/12/14 11:22 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa 1967dartgt master
1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	Jay,what rate front springs are you currently running? I have been told by Calvert and few superstock racers, you need 5 inches of travel to get them to work. Like I stated to bigtime I haven't tried tying the front end down to see if less travel works. Now Ron Rhoades in his x275 camaro doesn't have the travel my front end does and he hooks fine with calverts. But he has a ton more power then I do. So I do know what you have to do to make a car work changes at different power levels. Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: hemi-itis] #1657878 08/12/14 11:43 PM 08/12/14 11:43 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa 1967dartgt master
1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	Quote: Quote: I have two Magnum Force units on two cars, what do you want to know? One is street/strip, the other race only for now... On the street/strip car, does the rack turn as much as the stock box?? What made you go with MF ?? No a rack does not turn as sharp, the rack runs out of travel. Well at least my rack does. Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: 1967dartgt] #1657879 08/12/14 11:56 PM 08/12/14 11:56 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,201 aZLiViN J J_BODY I Live Here
J_BODY I Live Here J Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,201 aZLiViN	I'm currently running 10-300 afco springs. Had 350's on it, but they were way too stiff. I currently have the 300's at 8 15/16" compressed (free, no load). At ride height it's down to 7 1/4". Again... it'll be learn as i go. I've driven the car with the 360 in it, but with wrong converter, wrong gear it doesn't get out of it's own way off the line. At least when I put the W8 in I'm confident that it drives straight and true and stops well.... at low 120mph anyways With the geometry differences between brand "A" and "B" front ends I'm sure spring rates and adjustment suggestions will vary.

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: J_BODY] #1657880 08/12/14 11:59 PM 08/12/14 11:59 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,201 aZLiViN J J_BODY I Live Here
J_BODY I Live Here J Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,201 aZLiViN	...and I agree. The rack does not turn as sharp as the stock steering. I'll worry about that when i have to parallel park in the staging lanes.

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: J_BODY] #1657881 08/13/14 12:23 AM 08/13/14 12:23 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 10,384 Upstate NY Bigcube I Live Here
Bigcube I Live Here Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 10,384 Upstate NY	I had a Magnum Force K frame and wasn't happy. It was in the car for about 4 months. Biggest issue was it pushed the front wheels out a lot and sat low. My tire caught the fender lip when backing up and turning and pulled the fender wheel opening out. I was not a happy camper! Bob, looks like you front wheels are still where they belong, did you do anything with A arms to pull them in? Jim

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: J_BODY] #1657882 08/13/14 12:29 AM 08/13/14 12:29 AM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa 1967dartgt master
1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	Quote: I'm currently running 10-300 afco springs. Had 350's on it, but they were way too stiff. I currently have the 300's at 8 15/16" compressed (free, no load). At ride height it's down to 7 1/4". Again... it'll be learn as i go. I've driven the car with the 360 in it, but with wrong converter, wrong gear it doesn't get out of it's own way off the line. At least when I put the W8 in I'm confident that it drives straight and true and stops well.... at low 120mph anyways With the geometry differences between brand "A" and "B" front ends I'm sure spring rates and adjustment suggestions will vary. I have 300 on my car now and want to try 275s, and I also have a set 350s if you need them. Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: bigtimeauto] #1657883 08/13/14 12:33 AM 08/13/14 12:33 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 10,384 Upstate NY Bigcube I Live Here
Bigcube I Live Here Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 10,384 Upstate NY	Quote: Quote: bigtime, your front tires are nicely tucked under the front fenders for an alterkation, shorter control arms??? yes I took .750 out of them. I think bill will do it also if you ask when you order it. Didn't know that was an option but everybody should do this.

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: Bigcube] #1657884 08/13/14 12:37 AM 08/13/14 12:37 AM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa 1967dartgt master
1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	Quote: Quote: Quote: bigtime, your front tires are nicely tucked under the front fenders for an alterkation, shorter control arms??? yes I took .750 out of them. I think bill will do it also if you ask when you order it. Didn't know that was an option but everybody should do this. You need to take .750 out of the rack also. Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: J_BODY] #1657885 08/13/14 12:37 AM 08/13/14 12:37 AM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: ...and I agree. The rack does not turn as sharp as the stock steering. I'll worry about that when i have to parallel park in the staging lanes. Can you shorten the steering arm 1".. that would help the degrees of turn.. thats what I did on my struts

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: 1967dartgt] #1657886 08/13/14 12:39 AM 08/13/14 12:39 AM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA bigtimeauto Trophy Winner
bigtimeauto Trophy Winner Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: bigtime, your front tires are nicely tucked under the front fenders for an alterkation, shorter control arms??? yes I took .750 out of them. I think bill will do it also if you ask when you order it. Didn't know that was an option but everybody should do this. You need to take .750 out of the rack also. Why? BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: 1967dartgt] #1657887 08/13/14 12:43 AM 08/13/14 12:43 AM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: bigtime, your front tires are nicely tucked under the front fenders for an alterkation, shorter control arms??? yes I took .750 out of them. I think bill will do it also if you ask when you order it. Didn't know that was an option but everybody should do this. You need to take .750 out of the rack also. Your not moving the inner pivot point so no reason to change the rack

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1657888 08/13/14 01:07 AM 08/13/14 01:07 AM
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J_BODY I Live Here J Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,201 aZLiViN	would be hard to shorten my arms as they are aluminum. I'm not complaining... I have no need to turn that sharp.

Re: Alterkation drag only setup [Re: bigtimeauto] #1657889 08/13/14 12:08 PM 08/13/14 12:08 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa 1967dartgt master
1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: bigtime, your front tires are nicely tucked under the front fenders for an alterkation, shorter control arms??? yes I took .750 out of them. I think bill will do it also if you ask when you order it. Didn't know that was an option but everybody should do this. You need to take .750 out of the rack also. Why? I have a pinto rack in mine, you have a mustang 2 rack which is wider. I didn't think you could get your rack/tierods that narrow. Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

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