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What i learned at my first autox in the valiant
#1657176
08/10/14 10:18 PM
08/10/14 10:18 PM
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omahell, ne
buconine
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Gas tank still leaks. New filler neck seal is torn... Gas cap leaks on hard right turns. Trans dipstick leaks on hard left turns. Car runs hot when doing hot laps. Might need to switch from 10w40 to something heavier. Oil light flickered on last run in hard corners. 90 degrees with 88% humidity. 3:23 gears with 235/60r14 = 2500rpm @55mph. It was a long 50 miles to the race. I'm rusty! Been a long time sense i've raced and it showed. 4 runs, 3 dnfs from missed gates. Had a blast and didn't push the car real hard. Got some stuff to fix before the next one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW2mSsvGInI Lame gopro vid
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Re: What i learned at my first autox in the valiant
[Re: buconine]
#1657177
08/10/14 10:33 PM
08/10/14 10:33 PM
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amxautox
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  Yup, like someone told me when I started autocrossing, "It's like a sea of cones out there". Sometimes you can't see or figure out which 'wave' in that sea to turn into/along/past/thru. Been there done that at least a few times.
Tom
"Everyone should believe in something; I believe I'll go fishing."
-Henry David Thoreau
Men and fish are alike. They both get into trouble when they open their mouths
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Re: What i learned at my first autox in the valiant
[Re: buconine]
#1657178
08/10/14 11:50 PM
08/10/14 11:50 PM
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Central IL
Trojmn
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bah so it was a shakedown for both car and the driver  the whole point of CAM is to get car guys back to SCCA. Drive it, fix it, drive it, improve it; repeat! How many were in the CAM class? 2500RPM? I have the same gears, same diameter tire, and i don't have a tach I just kept with the highway traffic;-)
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Re: What i learned at my first autox in the valiant
[Re: AndyF]
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08/11/14 01:27 AM
08/11/14 01:27 AM
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Spokane Washington
ScottSmith_Harms
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Those cars leak everywhere once you start pulling some G's. Tim and I chased leaks for years on the red Valiant. Whenever the car got faster we would find another leak
So far so good on your last round of leak fixes Andy
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Re: What i learned at my first autox in the valiant
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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08/11/14 10:33 AM
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72Swinger
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Oil control, oil control lol. I thought I had mine nailed down until I hit a track. Valve covers need good baffles and fresh gaskets too. Power steering cap has to be perfect, rear axle vent needs a remote breather too.
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: What i learned at my first autox in the valiant
[Re: brads70]
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08/11/14 11:08 AM
08/11/14 11:08 AM
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Spokane Washington
ScottSmith_Harms
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wow trying to figure out the cones/where your supposed to go it 3/4 of the battle? I'd be lost!
This was very obvious watching the Hotchkis event in Las Vegas this past spring (Mopars At The Strip). It was an open event to all multi make muscle cars. It seemed that the majority of the participants had great cars but few of them had much experience, many cars failed to navigate the cone forest. A lot of cones died that day! 
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Re: What i learned at my first autox in the valiant
[Re: 72Swinger]
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08/11/14 11:53 AM
08/11/14 11:53 AM
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Central IL
Trojmn
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Valve covers need good baffles and fresh gaskets too.
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Ha i was guilty of that. Tech: "your valve covers are weeping a bit"... oops
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Power steering cap has to be perfect, rear axle vent needs a remote breather too.
I noticed my PS cap to be on the looser side the night before, so I had put a random O-ring i found underneath the cap gasket. worked well actually.
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Re: What i learned at my first autox in the valiant
[Re: buconine]
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08/11/14 02:05 PM
08/11/14 02:05 PM
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NW Chicago suburban area
Mopar Mitch
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Buconine -- Gas tank still leaks. New filler neck seal is torn...
Gas cap leaks on hard right turns....
RUN LESS GAS.. MAYBE 1/4 TANK.
Trans dipstick leaks on hard left turns... IF YOU RUN A DEEPER THAN STOCK PAN... GO PACK TO THE STOCK DEPTH PAN.
Car runs hot when doing hot laps.... TURN THE HEATER ON WHILE YOU RUN.
Might need to switch from 10w40 to something heavier. Oil light flickered on last run in hard corners.... YOU MUST, MUST, MUST HAVE, AT LEAST, HORIZONTAL WELDED BAFFELS IN THE SUMP.... OR INSTALL THE MILODON PAN. THE STOCK PANS ARE SHAMEFUL WITHOUT ANY BAFFELS.... SPUN BEARINGS WAITING TO HAPPEN!
THE BEST DRIVERS IN AX WALK AND MEMORIZE THE PYLON COURSE... THEY KNOW EXCATLY WHERE THEY'LL BE LONG BEFORE THEY GET THERE.... FROM THE STARTING LINE. MEMORIZATION IS A KEY FACTOR FOR LOWER TIMES.
Mopar Mitch
"Road racers and autocrossers go in deeper and come out harder!"... and rain never stops us from having fun with our cars... in fact, it makes us better drivers!
Check out MOPAR ACTION MAGAZINE, August 2006 issue for feature article and specs on my autocross T/A!
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Re: What i learned at my first autox in the valiant
[Re: RylisPro]
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08/12/14 12:30 AM
08/12/14 12:30 AM
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So Cal
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So running a stock oil pan 340 on a road course with only the factory windage tray is a bad idea huh?!
Big Willow Springs has more long gradual corners. I ran there a few times without I direct issue. BUT I had Dr Bob drive/instruct the car once (ran road race cars at national competitive level) he sucked the pan dry in two laps. The hydraulic lifters clattered, oil foamed, and I waited about an hour for things to settled down. I think Jim Lusk was there.
Two years later #6 rod bearing started to thud. And then I starting complaining to the owner of Milodon who is in our car club about the lack of a small block mopar road race pan.
Tighter tracks can be more of an issue.
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Re: What i learned at my first autox in the valiant
[Re: autoxcuda]
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08/12/14 03:15 AM
08/12/14 03:15 AM
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Mesa, Arizona
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So running a stock oil pan 340 on a road course with only the factory windage tray is a bad idea huh?!
Big Willow Springs has more long gradual corners. I ran there a few times without I direct issue. BUT I had Dr Bob drive/instruct the car once (ran road race cars at national competitive level) he sucked the pan dry in two laps. The hydraulic lifters clattered, oil foamed, and I waited about an hour for things to settled down. I think Jim Lusk was there.
Two years later #6 rod bearing started to thud. And then I starting complaining to the owner of Milodon who is in our car club about the lack of a small block mopar road race pan.
Tighter tracks can be more of an issue.
Isn't there one now?
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Re: What i learned at my first autox in the valiant
[Re: dart4forte]
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08/12/14 03:30 AM
08/12/14 03:30 AM
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SoCal
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So running a stock oil pan 340 on a road course with only the factory windage tray is a bad idea huh?!
Big Willow Springs has more long gradual corners. I ran there a few times without I direct issue. BUT I had Dr Bob drive/instruct the car once (ran road race cars at national competitive level) he sucked the pan dry in two laps. The hydraulic lifters clattered, oil foamed, and I waited about an hour for things to settled down. I think Jim Lusk was there.
Two years later #6 rod bearing started to thud. And then I starting complaining to the owner of Milodon who is in our car club about the lack of a small block mopar road race pan.
Tighter tracks can be more of an issue.
Isn't there one now?
I believe Autoxcuda had some influence in that. However, compared to the other oil pans (like the street/strip) it is pretty expensive. Somewhere around $350-400+ depending on the vendor.
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Re: What i learned at my first autox in the valiant
[Re: RylisPro]
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08/12/14 03:53 AM
08/12/14 03:53 AM
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NW Chicago suburban area
Mopar Mitch
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Rylispro -- stock 340 pan... is the exact same as a 318 pan.... the pan itself has NO oil control baffels. The factory 340 windage tray only helps for hi-rpm windage.... again, there is NO baffeling in the factory stock pans (toooo bad Ma-Mopar never added them). Continued G-forces from cornering, acceleration/deceleration will absolutely uncover the pick-up and starve the bearings, lifters, etc... eventually waisting the engine.
At least the factory 440-6 pack pan (and Hemi pan) had acceleration/deceleration baffels.
Mopar Mitch
"Road racers and autocrossers go in deeper and come out harder!"... and rain never stops us from having fun with our cars... in fact, it makes us better drivers!
Check out MOPAR ACTION MAGAZINE, August 2006 issue for feature article and specs on my autocross T/A!
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